Ok Here my Findings: [b]Overall there are three types of Timur's Lashes out there! [/b] Generation 1 (when we had the very first Iron Banner) http://destinydb.com/items/337037804-timurs-lash#14.h63uu7;15.2,0:3,0:4,2:5,5:8,1,0:9,1,0 Note: Generation 1 is the only version you can get "Life Support", Skip Rounds and a load out containing: Field Scout, Flared Magwell and Send it all in the same gun's middle column. This Gun still contains Crowd Control as a possible perk. Summary: This gun gives the best overall reload performance for this Hand Cannon and it can be used heavily as a PVE weapon more then all other iterations. Generation 2 (Expansion I Version): http://destinydb.com/items/2266591883-timurs-lash#14.k70qaq;15.2,0:4,2:5,5:8,2,0:9,0,0 Note: Expansion I version is the only one you can get "Who's Next Perk" and a load out containing: Perfect Balance, Flared Magwell and Send it all in the same gun's middle column. This Gun still contains Crowd Control as a possible perk. Summary: This gun gives the Best overall balance provided good Range, Reload and Damage for either PVP or PVE. Generation 3 (Expansion II Version): http://destinydb.com/items/3582249030-timurs-lash#14.1ykicqt;15.2,2:3,4:4,6:7,3,0:8,3,0 Note: Expansion II is the only gun to get flared magwell, "luck in the chamber" and "final round" on the same gun. Special Note: Send it, Perfect Balance and Crowd Control have been removed in Expansion II version in favor of those stupid give n take perks (ie. Small bore, brace frame etc.) that really undermine the performance of the gun really ruining it's overall stability, reload speed, range or magazine size in favor of a single thing such as range or stability or both. If you don't like this stick with the old or take heed of my above performance suggestions and look for Flared Magwell with the two damage bonuses. Summary: This is strictly a Boss Fight and PVP weapon only. PVE perks for damage, range and stability have been nerfed in many ways in favor of other PVP perks. Overall Generation 1 and 2 have the best overall balanced with performance for all play types. While Generation III (aka Expansion II) gives users the most impact bonuses for PVP at the cost of PVE perks and other items. Play around with the links to find what you would like to re-forge with. [b]My real load out is the following:[/b] I have the original Generation 1 Lash this is one focued on raw speed for PVE Raids with: -Spray and Play, Flared Magwell and Life Support. (ie. Life support can only be obtained from the Original Lash) This allows me to have the fastest reloading Timur's Lash in the whole game especially when you have Hand Cannon Gauntlets it's even faster. You can pretty much burn through all your ammo fast with this one. Also Life support help with boss Raids due to the fact if I get near critical damage I can get fast reload and get free bonus reserve ammo thus helping the non-stop shooting. http://destinydb.com/items/337037804-timurs-lash#14.h63uu7;15.2,2:3,0:4,3:5,5:8,1,0:9,1,0 My Generation II Lash (ie Expansion I): This one is considered my Boss Fight or PVP Lash. It's focus is very balanced with: -Spray and Play, Send it and Final Round. This allows me to get the best distance beating Hawkmoon's distance good reload similar to hawkmoon and final round that helps finish off Enemies in PVP and give bonus damage on boss fights. http://destinydb.com/items/2266591883-timurs-lash#14.k70qaq;15.2,0:4,2:5,5:8,1,0:9,2,0 My thoughts on the new Lash (Expansion II version aka Generation III) is that it's a great damage weapon poor reload weapon. Any of those give and take perks like Smallbore really inhibit the guns overall performance for just small bursts of damage. [b]Overall thoughts:[/b] The Biggest fault of the Lash is not it's impact or need for more damage bonuses but it's need for reload speed (stability is ok and can easily take some getting used too through practice). Thus for those looking for damage you may consider the new Lash from Expansion II. For those who love speed and Damage-over-time consistency (ie. the original Lash may be the best one for this if you still own it) you may want to hold onto your Original Lash or Expansion I version. I intend to collect them all for a good set of different Lashes for different battle situations (ie it makes re-forging easier to live with when you have more then one.) Have fun with those Lash's PS Stay Away from "ill will" if you know what's good for you. Ill Will just a cheep clone of the Lash with very small bump in range at the cost of Stability and Reload Speed enormously. Plus it has the Expansion II perks that really dont' help i much in terms of geting is reload speed and stability back.

Timurs Lash has an extremely low rate of fire so I actually rerolled for tons of range, and it paid off with rangefinder and send it. It will practically cover the entire map with full damage.

I got Range finder Field scout Crowd control. With my hunter as gunslinger I demolish everybody

i got: agrassive wolfpack tracking full auto lingering rounds explosive firefly rounds

Outlaw High caliber rounds Crowd control Took about 50 motes

Outlaw Field Scout Luck in the chamber Outlaw for the slow reload Field scout over perfect balance because the fire rate is too slow to affect the recoil

I'm pretty happy with mine, I haven't seen anyone with this combo or mention these perks at all that I'm aware of. I got Return to Sender High Caliber Round/Flared Magwell/Field Scout Final round I think I'll be using high caliber rounds, but am contimplating field scout. I think with return to sender and final round, high caliber rounds would be the better choice though.

Mines Outlaw Perfect balance/field scout and final round. Not the best but I think it will work nicely.

Spray and play Perfect balance Flared magwell Explosive rounds Final round

Mine has outlaw field scout and luck in the chamber

I got outlaw, send it (i think) and crowd control. Was oooing and ahhing about what to do but got a reroll with spray n play, perfect balance and luck in the chamber, that'll do for me.

I think I got a good roll True sight/sure shot/quick draw Outlaw Perfect balance/snapshot/field scout 3rd eye

I got one with rangefinder, perfect balance and crowd control. Didn't get a chance to use it on the iron banner though.

can anyone tell me if this is a good roll? performance bonus explosive rounds crowd control

Was hoping for pve roll containing outlaw, field scout and crowd control (also good for pvp). Not sure if I want to reroll what I got as pve roll: outlaw, field scout and Grenadier. Kinda doubting that last perk For pvp I got: spray and play, perfect balance/send it, and luck in the chamber

Used 140 motes of light and ended up with pretty much useless roll ( atleast for me) Spray and play Explosive Rounds Third Eye Was looking for: Outlaw Field Scout Luck in the chamber/Crowd Control So pissed for my RNG atm.

Rerolled about 10 times and ended up with SteadyHand - Sureshot - Quickdraw Outlaw Perfect Balance - Flared Magwell - Field Scott Feeding Frenzy. I am pretty happy with these rolls.

I got spray n play, explosive rounds and luck in the chamber

Just got Spray and Play and Final Round with Perfect Balance, Flared Magwell and Hammer Forged. Not bad.

Just rolled: Outlaw Field scout Crowd control