That's just not true. It hits like a truck and has just a slightly slower fire rate. Mine has crowd control which is not a bad option for both PvE and pvp

I beg to differ. I main timur's lash in the crucible. It's a very rewarding gun that does 95 a headshot. If you're in a firefight with a friend or two you'll be their saving grace by knocking enemies down to half with one shot. It has amazing accuracy for a HC and is even a good CQC weapon because of accuracy and stagger it causes on enemies. I use mine over both Thorn and TLW. I have rangefinder, perfect balance, and luck in the chamber. This also means an occasional 2 shot. Thorn hasn't left my vault since. The exotics are better but it's really not by all that much if you can actually use a HC. I use my slot on a special or heavy now. I don't need thorn or TLW. This weapon is great.

oof, that's a great roll! The luck in the chamber round, how hard does it usually hit for?

127 headshot damage and 85 body shot damage. It's pretty intense. I also have send it on that one so I'll switch to that if I need accuracy after the hand cannon nerf. I have another one with clown cartridge, field scout, and crowd control for pve.

Hmm, I was thinking of getting the crowd control roll for pvp, do you know how hard it hits after a kill?

You are so wrong on this, because you are viewing it totally as a PVP gun. In PVE this gun is awesome with the highest handcannon impact in the game - it is the only primary I know that oneshots non-yellow mobs in Hard mode on VOG

Hawkmoon does 1shot hard too lol and 33s hard Crota