Reading it all it appears that if marathon bombs the studio is done & they'll move the staff to Sony studios. Destiny's future right now is severely in doubt, it appears edge missed whatever projections bungie gave Sony & they've missed every goal since the buyout leading to Sony now stepping up the takeover. Seattle I've read from several sources is the most expensive place on earth to make games (idk why but 100m a year for studio rent makes sense now) - it was a factor in Sony's decision to kill firewalk & concord before even trying free to play, & they hate that bungie are in Seattle. Destiny doesn't make the 'profit' people think it does anymore & as I've said a good few times since that jason schrierer podcast last year, if this year misses targets the name bungie vanishes. Schreier said back then that Sony admit destiny is in its death spiral & this led to very low budget for edge with staff being told to work with the content they already have built - now look at edge of fate, almost no new content. They could move the ip with the Devs to another studio but I don't think it'll be worth it given edges apparent failure & even more constant bad feedback & all the cheating stuff. The Japanese ceo mentioned absorbing bungie into Sony, that to me is taking staff from bungie to work in Sony studios, & the staff being used to ramp up & strengthen there live service projects. NGL I'm fearful for this game.

It this point I figure it's best to enjoy it while it's still fun while looking at other games. And when the inevitable happens I'll just go play something else maybe the first dependant.

Lol "The first dependant" will be gone long before D2

Maybe, but it has the benefit of being Free-to-Play so that could very well give it some longevity.

For a while, might be. But the thing is - TFD isn't a very good game. Sure, the girls are beautiful, but there isn't much in terms of content, the story is basically non-existent and gunplay is mediocre at best.

I tried it briefly, but it didn't really pull me in. I'm not saying it's either good or bad, just that it wasn't something that I could see myself committing any real time to playing.

Sure, that's understandable. I got all achievements for it on Xbox, took me like 30 hours. It's ok, it's not horrible, but I don't see it survive long term. If someone's looking for a TPS-MMO kinda thing, then Warframe is miles above it.

Every time I entertain the idea of trying 'Warframe' I just..........can't. No particular reason, I just.........can't. 🤷‍♂️

Well, WF can be A LOT for a new player. It's certainly not the easiest game to get into.

Aside from this, I stick to single-player games and don't know that I want to commit the necessary time to another MMO; too many of the former that I still want to play and that would take time away from them.

Hey I could be totally wrong, nothing is set in stone & numbers are holding well, who knows hey?

"numbers are holding well" I think you should research that a little better lol

Oh I research perfectly fine thanks. Release of edge of fate **Overall:** 754.69k **PvE:** 741.98k **PvP:** 97.58k **Gambit:** 8.88k **Raid:** 20.91k **Event:** 8.01k Yesterday **Overall:** 661.75k **PvE:** 645.72k **PvP:** 235.54k **Gambit:** 4.50k **Raid:** 34.68k It's been a very solid 650k minimum for nearly 3 weeks, so a 12% dropoff. Final shape saw 50% falloff over the same period of time. Like I said, holding well 👍

I don’t know were you are getting those numbers from but on steam at peak it was just over 100k now 50k and it has been proven that steam is around 25% of the entire population

Not trying to argue but where are those numbers coming from? On avg steam shows 50-70K so all the other 590K is coming from just console?

Steam is concurrent so real time, a 1 sec snapshot taken every 3 hours. The bigger numbers are daily unique bungie acc logins

[quote]Steam is concurrent so real time, a 1 sec snapshot taken every 3 hours. The bigger numbers are daily unique bungie acc logins[/quote] How many of those unique logins, sit in orbit or go to the tower, look at the game and decide to play something else? All these numbers mean nothing. The only thing that matters is how much $ does Destiny 2 make? I mean we can’t even get accurate sales numbers anymore. Looking at the preorder numbers things look bad. https://emblem.report/54004492 Paracausal Path preorder emblem for TFS = 1690282 https://emblem.report/3992231371 External Sights preorder emblem for EoF = 845760 That’s approximately half the numbers for EoF compared to TFS. And TFS was considered to have underperformed in terms of sales. I mean -blam!- knows, except Sony, Bungie and a few industry insiders? I think that Jason Schreier is probably the most accurate in his representation of this game’s future. However even he could be completely wrong.