For 40 minutes or less in the coil I get 15 weapons ascendant alloy/shards and nightfall ciphers

When investing a large amount of time into playing an activity that gradually rewards loot through each tier, one of two things need to happen to make the mode feel worth playing all the way through to the end: 1. Increase the amount of loot you receive after every 10 waves. Perhaps one chest at 10 waves, two chests at 20 waves, three chests at 30 waves, etc. or 2. Keep the amount of rewards the same but after completing a full 50 waves, the final chest rewards a random guaranteed shiny variant. Players are not complaining to be complaining. The main issue is that they feel their time isn’t being respected. After spending well over an hour of their time into just one activity, they don’t feel much excitement at completion. The rewards are simply lackluster and when you compare the rewards from the first 10 waves of legend and the rewards from the final 10 waves of normal, there is absolutely no difference besides the amount of time invested. The legend chests are supposedly better and offer higher shiny rates as well. One extra basic chest isn’t enough to warrant spending an entire hour in just one activity. That is why players are running 10 waves of legend and resetting. Less time investment, less difficulty with two improved chests compared to one basic chest. When more players realize this, we will start to see an influx of players joining our activities and leaving after the first 10 waves which can be a huge complication. The reason why players enjoy The Coil is because they are gradually rewarded throughout each section and massively rewarded at the end. Onslaught shouldn’t be any different considering how long the activity takes to complete. Onslaught takes twice as much time to complete than The Coil, a bit higher in difficulty and only offers about 25% the loot, minus the ascendant alloys, ascendant shards and red borders. It was also said on the [url=https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2095393499]live stream[/url] that the shiny variants would be plentiful but they are not. Many have said said 50/50. I'm feeling more of a 25/75. When Bungie devs explained that the shiny variants were to be rare but they didn't mean rare as in having an incredibly bad drop rate - they meant rare as in only being obtainable during the limited time. Many are confusing these two things. If you're going to increase the difficulty and increase the length of the activity, you need to increase the amount of rewards or give better rewards. It's not complicated, it's game design 101.

Going the full 50 on Legend doesn't respect your time compared to just running 10 or 20 on repeat is the issue And 12 weapons with the only RNG mitigation being double perks on a very rare limited time version also sucks pretty bad

Agreed! Onslaught is a great activity with great rewards. Far too many people in this community love to complain for the sake of complaining.

If the optimal strategy for an activity is to run 1/5 of it and then restart over and over and over, then no, the loot is not fine. Period.

And not 1 guaranteed shiny brave weapon after 50 waves. Until they make that change legend onslaught isn’t okay.

What are shines? And in regular mode, why don't we get anything extra when the bonus round activates? At least in dares there are more chests.