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由NeonPropose編輯: 2/28/2021 1:49:03 PM
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Stasis. Emotions. Is Stasis controlled through emotion theory

So this is a theory I’ve had rattling around in my head for a few months now and I thought why not put it out here. So we know of Stasis. Cosmic Ice, the closest power we’ve had to the Darkness. But there was always something about it that intrigued me and it started with Eramis. If you’ve played Beyond Light, you’ll know that as the story progresses she starts to freeze somewhat; firstly seen when she consults with Kridis and Atraks about the deaths of Phylaks and Praksis. And then again at the end of the campaign. Now I know many people speculate that the reasoning for her being frozen, is because she lost against us in that fight and is being punished or because her gauntlet broke (wanna remind people we don’t need a gauntlet/device to enhance our use of stasis, so I don’t totally agree with this). But I wanted to suggest an alternative theory as to A) why she froze and B) how the Eliksni and us control Stasis and quite possibly the Darkness powers itself. I first want to look at a line from Variks during the Evacuation mission in the Eramis segment of the campaign: [quote] I see now that you wield this dark power more wisely than Eramis. Perhaps the corrupt did not stem from Darkness, but from anger. [/quote] The basis for the theory is this: in order to control the Darkness and not be corrupted by it, we must overcome an emotion that clouds us. This is where the theory starts and when we apply this context to a wider array of characters, we see it kinda works. Let’s start with the simple one of Eramis (I have other examples, but we’ll start with her). Eramis is clearly a display of anger (and arguably rightly so). She is angry at the Traveler for abandoning her species which led to the death of not just her people but her lover in particular, and they’ve been fighting over it with Humanity ever since they arrived in Sol. We can also see her anger in smaller acts like Variks rebelling, our interference through killing her council and even us challenging her in the final mission. I believe the anger overtook her and hence why she Froze. Let’s look at another example. In the Dark Future, Ana is one guardian who falls to the corruption of Stasis and the Darkness. Her fall isn’t actually revealed in game but in the grimoire anthology “War Machines”. Page 65, “Lost Light” reads: [quote]It’s been so long since my life, my real life, before the Light. I had no idea. Everything I’ve tried to find out about myself has been covered up, redacted, and hidden from me. I thought I was a good person. I don’t know what I am anymore. I see it now, [b]with resounding clarity.[/b]It moves ethereally, seductively, like a dancer looking for a partner. I accept. “[b]...tell me everything.”[/b][/quote] This takes place after Ana relives an experience from her pre-resurrection life. She sees her father dying in his exo body and her grandfather walks her away while being extremely sinister (and based on Ana’s reaction it’s clear why they tried to cover it all up). Ana would go on to become corrupted in this timeline and fall to the darkness, trying to convince her sister to join her before her death. I would like to argue that Ana would’ve needed to overcome curiosity, if she had wanted to remain in control. This is evident pretty much everywhere. Everything about her wanting to reclaim her past. The curiosity of her once self. Now there are many more longer examples I could give, but I will give a brief description of who else this could apply to: Elsie Bray - Elsie is a complex one, but I think insanity is the best one to describe her. Each future she tries to rewrite to stop the Dark Future, and you know what they say about insanity. I’d argue she must have overcome it a long time ago based on her calm nature regarding stasis and her control over it. And I imagine the current timeline reassured her. Eris Morn - Unsurprisingly, Eris Morn is obsession. And based on some of the lore in the letters she wrote, I don’t think she’s overcome this emotion yet. She is still obsessing over wanting to kill the Osmium heirs and even started to display a want to offer the vex a similar fate in memory of Asher Mir. I imagine she will either fall like in the Dark Future or perhaps need to overcome it soon with Witch Queen. The Drifter - Drifter is definitely fear. Considering he is staying in the system as of Beyond Light as suggested by his new membership among the Vandark and his use of Stasis, I think he’s either overcome it, or is close to doing so. Kridis - another member of the overcome emotion group. I believe Kridis had to overcome worthlessness. She says in the Dark Priestess questline she speaks almost as a fanatic of Eramis and the darkness. I also wanna draw comparisons between the calmes nature of both Kridis and Elsie. Perhaps a coincidence, but it’s there. Kridis also displays arguably the most mastery of stasis out of Eramis’ council. Phylaks - I believe Phylaks needed to overcome Honour (with a u) to fully control stasis. The Eliksni are an honour bound race, and she fights like a warrior holding that code very high; high enough that she only challenged us when we met her level of fighting prowess. I also believe she died before she could overcome it. Hence her limited control over stasis. Praksis - I believe Praksis to be very similar to Phylaks in that he died before he could overcome his emotion. Praksis I believe needed to overcome Impulsion. Everything he does is to better Eramis’ and her chance of winning the war. Even to the extend that in his empire Hunt, when you destroy the brig and get through the lasers without setting them off, he gets concerned and says about not informing Eramis of this. Perhaps as not to get her disapproval (which could easily be an alternative for his emotion). The Young Wolf - I believe our emotion we overcome was turmoil. We are fighting between Light and Darkness the entire campaign, trying to find balance, which we obviously do at the end of the campaign. And enough so that we can call on Stasis whenever we want. And control it with extreme mastery. Now. This is merely a theory. But it will be interesting to see if it can be applied to other characters as the story continues and as/if more characters start to learn stasis. But I would like to hear your input below.

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  • So I don't risk going into territory that angers the mods, I'll say just this. Bungie is crafting a relationship between Light and Dark that is similar to the relationship between the Light and Dark Sides of the Force from the point of view of the Potentium "Heresy". Potentium is considered a heresy by the Jedi because----unlike Jedi doctrine that sees Light as good, and Dark as Evil----potentium only sees ONE Unified Force. That you become Good or Evil based upon what you do with that energy. What is your motiviation. If you use it compassionately and with the eye toward what creates a true greater good.....you become LIght. If you use it selfishly and destructively....you become Dark. It seems that Light and Dark in Destiny represent certain universal forces. (creation versus destruction0. But you don't tip into good or evil until their is a purpose that use that energy for. That is the lesson that Elsie Bray seems to be trying to teach.....and the Dredgens are enforcing. YOu can use the Darkness for good....but you have to resist the temptation to use that power for selfish or destructive ends. If you can...then this is a game changer. I fyou can't, then you are corrupted by it...and you eventually become a slave to it. Like Sith to the Dark side. ...or addicts to their drug of choice.

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  • 由Jai_Ex編輯: 3/2/2021 1:54:02 AM
    That's why I don't want Xivu Arath to completely be our enemy. Her goal is to be thee strongest warrior ever through true strength. Every that savathun wants would be getting in the way of that. Basically, Xivu would make us temporary "allied" rivals and lead us to an ancient Hive witch who would show us how to connect with death and teach us how to control poison or necromancy. Then when we get savathun out of the way, Xivu would want to battle us to see who's the strongest warrior ever. Well at least, that's the simple version 😅. I'm still working on the stuff in between.

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  • 由Jai_Ex編輯: 3/2/2021 1:55:24 AM
    Here's my theory. If u played the taken king they kind of explained this a little bit when we receive our new subclasses. Ikora said that to weild power, we have to channel it, not control it. For arc, the storm is raw power, when we under go the trance, she calls it true understanding. Strikers are in a trance to face things head on and channel lightning to achieve this. Hunters are in a trance that reflects lightning. In a storm, lightning is always looking to strike something. In the Lore for blade dancers it says that "Hunters are constantly looking for enemies to sink their light into". Instead of using raw power like warlocks, they channel their lighting into their weapons like a conductor and use it for power. Warlocks don't control the storm, as we hear in the mission. They connect with it in a trance and channel it through their bodies. In the sunbreaker quest, Ouros asks what power we seek from the forge. She then later tells us that sunbreakers don't answer to anyone but the will of the light. I think the solar subclass represents the will of one person. Gunslingers have a will to strive to be the best, to get the perfect shot. A sunbreakers will is to be a light in the darkness. They pave the way forward for the ones behind them. Sun singers have righteous fury. They will do anything to make sure nothing stands in the way, which is probably why they can revive themselves, bc even death will not stop them from succeeding. The voidwalker lore states that to use the void, it requires the manipulation of the use of void energy. Unlike solar or arc, void doesn't exist in this dimension. It's not a natural element like the other two. To use it you have to "Open a pocket in the universe" as stated by lord Saladin. You have to be able to connect with it. To be able to make something out of nothing. But to do that you need to concentrate on what you can't see. Now that we're at stasis, I think it's safe to say that each darkness subclass is like the opposite of the light. Stasis is Ice. Instead of being a light in the darkness like solar, we become one with the darkness. Our hearts become cold towards others. We have no sympathy, no kindness, no love. Only a cold heart to match our cold powers. We're not a beacon of light that shines in the darkness, an we don't strive towards anything. Our road to push forward has be come a path of darkness. Now for the other subclasses, I think we'll be able to weild taken energy. This would be the opposite of void. Void requires concentration, but taken energy requires chaos. Our minds are everywhere focusing on the things we can't control. The more chaotic our minds are, the stronger we become with this energy. Look at oryx. He had blind rage towards us for killing his son. Us killing crota was out of Oryx's control. That's why his taken were so powerful and do hard to beat. His mind was everywhere which is why he met up with us at every turn. Arc represents life. Storms provide rain, which in turn provides water. Every living being needs this to survive. Lightning listens to no one and acts on an impulse. It's the same for life as well. Poison/Necromancy on the other hand is related to death. Death is patient because it will eventually take the life out of every living being. Unlike lightning, death takes its time. It won't rush bc one way or another, it will get what it wants. Poison might not be as flashy as the other subclasses but it can do the same amount of damage, and maybe even more. It kills you from the inside out just like death, sucking up your life force until it's completely engulfed by darkness...

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  • 由Neon編輯: 2/28/2021 10:58:29 PM
    % An interesting theory, but there's really no denying that the primary reason Eramis froze is because her gauntlet malfunctioned. She's perfectly fine until it breaks and she attempts to use Stasis again. She never actually "mastered" the power. Nothing can really top that. The entirety of the campaign hinted that the only reason any of the fallen could use Stasis is because of the gauntlet being able to safely harness it's power without freezing the user. It's not like every other house salvation elite we kill freezes in place. They die before way before that. They're all perfectly fine until we intervene, and the Dark Future essentially hints at this as well. There may be some symbolism in that final cutscene, saying the Darkness deemed her as unworthy of wielding the power from the start, hence why she couldn't just naturally master it like the us. But, I doubt they're just picking and choosing who they want to master Stasis(maybe some bias on the Young Wolf though). I believe anyone can, and that Season of Arrivals scene with the Pyramid statue and all the races surrounding it are a prime reason as to why. House Salvation were desperate. They ran before they could walk and as a result couldn't fully master the power like us(however they almost mopped the floor with us before we had Stasis, and Eramis even almost won the final battle before we even fully adopted the power ourselves). Given time they probably would have been just as formidable as us. If you don't think Eramis's freezing is the story's way of saying she will unfreeze herself and master Stasis from within like us, allowing her to breakout, think again. Edit: It's impossible to try and fully apply emotion to the Stasis because by saying that, you're saying people like Eris and Elsie, who continuously struggle with their inner demons, would have been frozen in place trying to master the power. %

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    • Guys I unlocked the new darkness subclass It's called depression

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      • 由RopeAdope編輯: 2/28/2021 5:47:07 PM
        Kinda. There’s countless books and movies that always warn about temperance in regards to manifestations of power and emotion. “Don’t let the anger consume you” “give in to the dark side” etc. like the show “The Borderlands” and their “dark-ones”. Every time they wield their power, it takes a part of them in return until they go mad and die. Entropy always wins. Maybe already wielding the light gives us that buffer zone. They’re basically 2sides of the same coin anyway whereas, even with light(Gaul) it consumed him as well. Then there’s the idea of being “chosen”. Being reborn By the light as opposed to just taking it. Like genetically gifted vs artificially enhanced. I think it all just boils down to whether or not we were chosen or just...not. There’s reasons behind it we may never know. Through metaphysical means or just plain ignorance. It only seems to matter when they try to take what wasn’t freely given Edit: You catch that last part Bungie? 😜

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        • I came here to bump, I also didn't read it.... but stasis really does mess with my emotions..... [spoiler]I came here cause the title ok[/spoiler] [spoiler]read the whole thing, I like it[/spoiler]

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        • oh i love this theory! i think i agree with it too!

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        • Idk but I’m waiting for Shin Malphur to show up since there’s so many darkness wielding guardians now. Especially since the Drifter states that Shin Malphur kills any guardian that is corrupted by the darkness or something like that.

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          • Bump for later?

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          • It would explain its power in crucible. The salt brings the greatest power.

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            • Stasis is crystalline. It’s in all the descriptions in the game. Not truly frozen, as that would kill everything that is frozen. We know that isn’t true because everyone, even non paracausal entities like Variks weren’t damaged by it. It’s being rigid and unmoving. It’s opposite to Solar, which is the quanta of change per its lore card. As for the gauntlet, that is how the Fallen use Stasis. You forgot that when our Shard was destroyed we lost Stasis. It wasn’t until we remembered what Elsie said that we focused and drew on it from inside of ourselves that we regained it and were able to break free.

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            • https://youtu.be/5fmHCNfowbQ

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            • Stasis is Entropy

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            • Seeing as how Stasis's power comes through control in a literal sense (slowing, freezing, shattering, etc), it seems logical that its mastery would be tied to mental/emotional control as well. I wonder if other Darkness subclasses will conform to similar logic.

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            • I honestly quite like this.

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            • *sets up lawn chair* let's wait and see if this is right *readies 400-gallon lemonade tank*

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              • This is an interesting theory

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              • I like this theory honestly. it seems to work out in the lore too.

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