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1/12/2021 12:52:16 AM
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Dark Future? More like Not Our Future

<Long ago, I believed the Exo Stranger - Elizabeth's - future was our own in a few years. I believed it was the result of the Darkness arriving and bringing upon the system a second Collapse, the swift destruction of a system with no healing Traveler and an unprepared army of Guardians. However, I was wrong, entirely so. Funnily enough, it's the Vex that hold the key to the future now, as our paths are now divergent from Elizabeth's failed timelines. [b]A Dead Heart[/b] Probably one of the biggest differences from this "Dark Future" and our own timeline is that the Heart of the Black Garden is destroyed. This automatically shuts down one of the biggest parts of Elizabeth's future, where we didn't find out about the Heart until way later and, by the time we got there, it had become powerful enough to influence everyone around it to become more than just a little bit emo (hey Uldren). This is a critical blow to this theoretical "Dark Guardian" army, as now we only have those who are turned by the Pyramids when they arrived. While I expect a few edgy morons, it'll never be enough to make an army now that we struck down the source. Not to mention, killing the Heart means the Traveler has time to heal, as the Heart was responsible for preventing its healing processes. [b]Stupidly Loyal[/b] One of the things that made me confused about Elsie's future was the bit about Awoken dissenters, those who split off from Mara and joined the forces of Darkness. As we all know by now, the Awoken are pretty loyal to their Queen, more than I'd like given her recent failures. I fail to see this happening any time soon, especially while Mara still lives, even if her assaults there failed too. [b]The Cabal Should be Smarter than We Give Them Credit For[/b] The wreckage of The Almighty shows us that everything up to Beyond Light happened as it did here, relatively speaking. However, the Bombardment tells a time where the Hive, a bunch of idiots, the Fallen House of Salvation, and the Cabal absolutely shredded the Last City before the former two turned on the latter two. Am I the only one who gives Caiatl the benefit of the doubt that she isn't a moron? Caiatl is, as of Y4, officially leading the Red Legion remnants. She is currently trying to figure out what the hell is going on with these Cryptoliths and trying to bring the Legion back up to speed. Her goals, as stated in Heir Apparent, are to avoid the failures of her father and Ghaul. Ghaul, too focused on the Traveler and the Light. Calus, too opulent and wrapped up in his vices. Calus, as we know, is obsessed with Darkness, believing them to be unstoppable. If Caiatl's smart, she'll take the middle road. That leaves the Cabal not being stupid enough to trust the Hive, who only kill, and the Fallen, essentially pirates. I don't see them participating in the Bombardment and wonder what leaps in logic had to be taken for Caiatl to do so, as someone who studied under Umun'Arath, the most paranoid Cabal to ever exist. [b]Eramis is/will be Gone[/b] Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little bit, but as of right now Eramis is considered KIA by Elsie and at the very least incapacitated by anyone with a brain cell. Even if Eramis were to unfreeze soon, her end will be swift as we can game-end her permanently if we have to. Either way, Eramis will die in this timeline, and with all her commanders dead, House Salvation is effectively broken. The Bombardment won't happen in this timeline. [b]The Unknown Artifact[/b] In Elsie's future, Eris found the Unknown Artifact and it corrupted her. However, I don't see this happening here. For one thing, we've gotten too many "Eris is evil" moments to make her actual turn be anything but unsurprising and frankly irritating. The latter is especially true due to our assistance in Shadowkeep, where we helped her come to grips with her fireteam's deaths as the Lunar Pyramid attempted to drive her mad with Nightmare manifestations of them. Though I'd hardcore simp for Dark Eris in ways I can't tell on this website, she won't turn evil. Even the "Regarding Stasis" lorebook isn't enough to convince me otherwise. If Bungie wanted to make her evil, they wouldn't make it so obvious. I'd honestly expect Mara Sov to go Dark before Eris at this point because it would honestly make more sense right now. [b]Too Much Investment[/b] In Elsie's future, we never healed the Traveler. We never helped Eris deal with her crippling mental state. We never killed Eramis. Instead, the IDEA of Darkness kept itself around in ways even this timeline hasn't reached. In this timeline, we healed the Traveler, we helped Eris, we killed/will kill Eramis. We've invested too much without the Stranger. Now she comes around, and we invest more. For the Traveler to abandon us would be criminal. For a substantial amount of Dark Guardians to rise would be stupid. We've reached a point where any of this happening, with few exceptions like Exo Rasputin, would not work. [b]The More Likely Dark Future[/b] When the final Undying Mind was killed, Osiris witnessed the Infinite Forest change its prediction algorithms to view a new future. Unlike the variable futures beforehand, which saw a dead system filled with Vex and occasional Darkness, this future was more akin to a void. A dead sun, a void of nothing between it and Earth. A dead Earth with a destroyed City and only the swirling dust and the Pyramid Fleet above it. This, I believe is the more likely future. One we'll inevitably avoid because this game will probably have a bittersweet ending at worst and more likely a happy ending where we win. Still, it's a better indication, all things considered. With Cabal that should have more than two brain cells, and all the other things we've done in this timeline, we've effectively removed almost all of the Darkness's proxy armies. That just leaves IT to do its own job. To date, this timeline has yet to be averted. The Sundial incident was unrelated and, if anything, would've prevented this future. However, the Legion were driven out, the Sundial shut down, and this future likely remains. So don't take the headache-inducing Dark Future lorebook as gospel, that's like taking the Eris portions of Truth to Power as 100% truth or the Chronicon as an accurate timeline of events post-Opulence.>
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  • 由MC 077 Lasombra編輯: 1/14/2021 5:18:51 PM
    We diverged from her timeline in base D1 when we destroyed the Black Heart. Granted her lore was retconned massively between base D1 and BL. 1. Her lore entries in D1 showed she had little knowledge of the Hive yet the Dark Future took place on the Moon on their turf. 2. She was literally jumping in and out of our timeline. That’s how the legend of the Stranger came to be. She was saving Guardians, helping us avert disasters and ultimately finding a hero to defeat the Heart. Her time traveling was easily spelled out in her D1 cards. The Dark Future we might experience is likely to stem from disillusionment in the Traveler rising up and poisoning the Guardians and Last City against it. Remaining inactive and not communicating, except to Crow and that won’t win over any goodwill, while the Darkness is handing out toys and promising salvation. With losing most of the solar system, people will panic and abandon the Traveler. Witch Queen will be the start of this. Remember her tactics involve corrupting a civilization and causing in fighting. It’s the perfect ploy to get around the fact she can’t beat us in a one on one fight and it’ll linger and fester even after her defeat.

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  • Really refreshing read. Thanks OP.

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  • [quote]Probably one of the biggest differences from this "Dark Future" and our own timeline is that the Heart of the Black Garden is destroyed. This automatically shuts down one of the biggest parts of Elizabeth's future, where we didn't find out about the Heart until way later and, by the time we got there, it had become powerful enough to influence everyone around it to become more than just a little bit emo (hey Uldren).[/quote] Killing the heart was part of our D1 timeline. It's simply a dark future precedent which can reverse itself (see the former PS strike wherein they tried to revive it). The simple fact is? I've run a number of scenarios with a lot of lore people and we can't refute a single event which is permanent involving the Vex. The Dark future is still in line as a possibility.

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    • One of the biggest differences is that Elsie Brey decided to openly teach guardians to wield stasis. If she hadn't taught us, Erimas would have killed us when she froze us and our ghost. When talking about her past, she mentioned that Erimas was still alive, but she also says that we turned into a dark guardian. I believe this means that Erimas did kill us and that the darkness revived us as a dark guardian. Also in reading the hawkmoon lore, I find myself wondering if we will see Savathun switch sides. Currently she is being hunted by both the hive and darkness. In the dark future it says Eris led the dark army which contains hive. I believe that Eris will use us to kill xivu in the witch queen dlc, then she will take the throne and become the witch queen. Not too mention that the darkness already warned us that one of our allies would turn on us. I theorize that savathun will have a change of heart and will use riven to turn herself back into a krill.

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      • I'm not reading all that, but Elsie's story also mentioned us uniting with Calus, who is now dead, or at the very least, missing permanently

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        • The most likely person to turn evil IMO is ikora

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        • Cool post. Lore discussions are fun. You did leave out the fact that there are still two hive gods and the taken in play. Possibly more wrathborn in the future too. The darkness won’t be “the final threat” until those have been eliminated. You are right that the vex remain a very viable way of ushering in a future where we lose still. According to the lore we are basically fighting vex construction workers. The wyverns Couod be the first actual soldiers we have come into contact with.

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          • Well you kind of have to take it as gospel because the lore was not presented in journal form, or recording, or from a third party source, but rather from an outside story telling perspective that very clearly wants us to know what happened. Elsie has not told us these things directly, but rather, Bungie is telling the reader this as memory or thoughts of Elsie. Also, Elsie very clearly has taken steps to avoid everything we read about in the Dark Future. Personally, I believe it to be true, and I also believe the future is indeed inescapable but some things will happen slightly differently. Like, it won't be Eris turning evil but someone else and it may still end badly and Elsie knows it, but simply wants her sister to not turn evil and survive the aftermath. This much however, is theoretical of course. I do not see Lightfall as a victory, but rather, a softened defeat.

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            • [i]Thank you[/i]

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            • What I don’t understand is why people say the dark future is Lightfall. It ain’t happening.

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              • 由Zizin編輯: 1/12/2021 6:36:39 AM
                I'm on the side of Mara pulling a Sarah Kerrigan from Starcraft and being converted. Then we rescue her or something. Like maybe she was betrayed by what she thought was an ally when she was on a mission and left for dead/captured.

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              • 由Shamrock-74編輯: 1/12/2021 7:40:48 AM
                And we pretty much prevented/delayed most of the events foretold in The Dark Future by [freezing] Eramis, eliminating all of her lieutenants, and controlling Stasis. I still found the lore book to be one of Destiny’s best entries, if not, definitely the most intriguing. It gives a lot of insight, not just to a possible future, but also to the stranger and characters we haven’t heard from in years now.

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              • 由Spaghetti779編輯: 1/12/2021 1:24:02 AM
                [quote]Though I'd hardcore simp for Dark Eris in ways I can't tell on this website[/quote] Quarantine gettin' to us all 😳

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                • Fair enough.

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