Pretty sure dedicated servers aren’t the main factor. The main problem is Bungie’s anti-cheat is nothing more than a flagging system that detects players after they begin cheating (based on stats, etc) and flags their account for manual review by Bungie staff. It doesn’t detect cheating software, which eliminates the preventive measures, and even when a cheater is finally detected, the banning process is significantly handicapped since it requires manual review.

[quote]Pretty sure dedicated servers aren’t the main factor.[/quote] It's 100% the main factor. You can't have code coming player side it is what allows these hacks to happen.

[quote][quote]Pretty sure dedicated servers aren’t the main factor.[/quote] It's 100% the main factor. You can't have code coming player side it is what allows these hacks to happen.[/quote] Huh? Then why do games with dedicated servers still have cheaters? And why was cheating not nearly as big of an issue when D2 used Blizzard’s anti-cheat?

Not ever going to stop all cheats. Dedicated makes it astronomically harder. And because Blizzard has a notoriously excellent and harsh anti cheat system.

So what I’m hearing is that bungie can stop the majority of cheaters with a strong anticheat like the one from blizzard while staying p2p.

[quote]So what I’m hearing is that bungie can stop the majority of cheaters with a strong anticheat like the one from blizzard while staying p2p.[/quote] 🤦‍♂️ Do you enjoy playing against cheaters? In p2p you can literally inject code into the game which allows these cheats to happen. A good anti cheat might stop some of it but it would still be a huge problem. Like I said with aim botting, a good one is not detectable in p2p. Go watch some of these cheater interviews, none of them are ever banned for just a aim bots and have been using them for ages. People were still cheating on battlenet, just a lot of people had rose tinted glasses on because there was not a huge demand to cheat. Trials causes an explosion of hacks because programmers knew the mode was an avenue to make and sell cheats. You look at games that are dedicated servers, yes cheating still happens but it is either by insanely talented hackers that don't share their secrets because the more people who use the hacks the more likely the developer is to catch on and just patch it, OR people find a flaw in the programming and abuse it. Then it comes down to how fast a developer patches it. So dedicated servers and preventing cheaters largely comes down to how talented your programmers are.

I’m just saying there were no cheaters back on blizzard. If they can at least get the game back to that state we would be far better off. Dedicated servers would be awesome, but knowing bungie that isn’t going to happen. We need a cheater fix now.

Another thing was on battlenet is it wasn't free to play. If you got banned it cost you the price of the game. Much higher risk to cheating. Things were significantly better on battlenet, I agree with you there.