Except its just boring game play now unfortunately. Who wants to watch scout rifle and pulse rifle game play? It's so lame AF. It's like watching WNBA lay up highlights. I agree HC was meta for a long time but there was a reason for that. Scouts were just trash and not because of HC they were just plan garbage. They could of buffed them a long time ago.

Agreed that hand cannon ranges were a bit much. They are perfect right now imo. The animation fix is beautiful on console. I think the current "meta" is pretty balanced and load outs depend on the maps. I do think high impact fusions should receive some tweaks... Not asking for a range cap at 15 meters, but 25-32 meters would be balanced and still do work. who the hell thought artifacts should work in the crucible ... Scouts are amazingly fun. Broadsword / claymore is fun. Luna and NF aren't dominating anymore. Thorn is sex.

You got me

They never did

[quote]Good? Handcannons should've never been able to pressure Scout Rifles in their intended ranges anyway.[/quote]

My Rangefinder Ricochet Duke started drop off at 40m and killed in 3 tap up to somewhere close to 45-46m. So yeah some handcannons were excessive. I agree they needed a change. They definitely over did it. Handcannons basically don't scale with range at all anymore. Even 74 range on Sunshot starts at like 27 meters, and Ace around 28. I feel like high range and Rangefinder handcannons shout have topped out around 32.5 with high range + rangefinder, 30 high range, and 27 with minimal range perks. This is around 2.5 meters back from the 5 they lost in some cases, and the scaling would be better. Right now it is definitely overnerfed, and everyone is using Malfeasance, or Rangefinder Explosive round handcannons, to bypass the range issues. It basically has become rangefinder + explosive to be the best, rangefinder at minimum, otherwise hand cannons are borderline not worth it. We literally have to have even more specific god rolls than ever before. They should have only nerfed Ricochet, and applied half the range nerf they did.

[quote]No, but you could three-four tap pass that with ease with momento Mori active. Even other hcs pushed upwards of 43 meters with the right setup. I even have a range finder explosive payload crimils that was good enough to compete on equinox. EQUINOX.[/quote] LoL if you’re 4 taping ppl you’re either shooting someone straight lining or they’re literally potatoes. And as for criminals dagger it’s a 110 rpm. The trade off for the slow RPM is literally Range.... and Explosive Rounds don’t suffer from Damage Falloff. The damage falloff for Real HC’s(not 180’s) is just too severe. While there does need to be drop off it shouldn’t just plummet at such a short given range. They’ve just made weapons like Erentil and Recluse that much stronger by default.

The ricochet nerf was needed, and even half the range nerf was needed. Precision handcannons need the aim assist buff that was added in go fast severely reduced, and then they can make NF and LH 180s again without them being extremely busted. They just need to make the buff to head and body the exact amount to three tap, and do no more damage than that. That way you could not 2 tap with them on another target. The tracking aim assist nerf would go a very long way in making both weapons good on both platforms, without being an aimbot on console.

Imagine that, people complain about scout rifles having no place because they have no room to breathe or operate, and Bungie rigged it so there would be more scenarios where scout rifles have room to breathe and operate.

Ever been nailed by a rangefinder/high caliber rounds service revolver? It's basically a Nail in the Coffin from D1Y1 Now I miss my NiTC ;-;