No burns, but without excellent management of adds and debuff, once mines come up(two at once.. Wtf), it gets too tough for most groups.

I did it first try last night with 2 first timers... Picked up an elemental hand cannon and the other 2 got the Elder Cipher.

First time I've ever done Skolas was this week! I think it took our group around 5 hours to finish it. It's a tough fight for sure!

The fix is a save system.

Lol. But I thought he was nerfed. Lol.

Lol terrible player. I did it last night and I am happy with the changes. No more burning him down. You have to fight the whole thing. Anyone that is complaining to add burns back is nothing more than a scrub who can't do the fight legit and wants their extra cheese poured back on the skolas fight. Learn how to work as a team or don't play it. Vault and crotas end have spoiled destiny players. I am sure over 50% of the player base just wants to cheese for the loot and not play a fight for real.

Lol I tried telling everyone that this was not a nerf.... And people wouldn't listen I love the new fight honestly. The cheap burn method isn't even close to possible anymore (I've tested it) and playing through the mechanics seems much more manageable now. The fight feels very balanced and seemingly more the way Bungie intended for it to play out. Small arms and lightswitch made for a much more interesting set of challenges than just a burn. By far the hardest part is getting through the mines. The guy who is able to take the poison (not immune) is the VIP. He needs to be alive. It is his job above all else to stay alive and stick next to the person who's tainted. When mines come up, VIP and rained guardian should stick together, while the immune guardian can go to the other side of the map to head off one of the mines across the map. That's the best strat I've found. If you really want to control things, mines spawn at half health. Kill all the ads and get him near half health, and pass poison around until the immune guy is either a hunter or a Titan. Hunter can go invis across the map and take the mine down, and the Titan can throw his shield. Titans should save their shield for the middle mine spawn.

All I can say is I told you so. Everyone saying he was getting nerfed, and complaining. Now they have realised it's harder, these noobs also complain. For the record bungie never stated the fight was getting made easier. They said his Health would be reduced and that the burns would be taken away. Since burns give 3X damage and his his health would be halved, this meant his overall health would be increased by 1.5X. Simple maths, and many people tried pointed this out at the time only to be told they were wrong. At the end of the day the game is what it is. If it's too hard then play something else or just avoid skolas. I for one am glad for the change and looking forward to the challenge.

ill second that nearly 5 hours in and only on second mines. last count we had over 300 deaths and thousands of kills yet skolas is still standing. Its easier on xbox one and ps4 coz they dont give a shit about 360 coz its old gen, its basically like forcing us to upgrade console. -blam!- you Bungie and FIX THIS SHIT!!

Funny, it isnt harder, its actually easier.