I just think it's not as ..... super....fun no more. Like I don't want a HC and AR, I want HC and shotty. I want destiny back

Luckily, D1 will still be available for you to play.

why is it that gunskill, in a scifi game that gives you awesome super powers, is more important to you?

Because it still supposed to be a First Person Shooter, not Destiny: the ability spam simulator, which is a pain in the A$$ in PvP. Even Borderlands does it right and is purely PvE.

I didn't mean that. Just that people normally spam abilities to get kills in crucible and in PvE too

Then, if you just wanna shoot, play a game where that's all you do. Destiny isn't that game, it is what it is. Why play the game, knowing what's available in it, and then complain? Being good at Destiny, means being good at using guns, abilities, and movement in concert. Destiny isn't, and never was, meant to be a gun simulator. If using your gun in one match nets you the win, then you choose correctly. But if in another match, your enemies used abilities more, and your choice to use your primary got you a loss; where competing abilities would've been a better choice against them, then it's because you choose wrong. You weren't good enough at Destiny, to choose which type of attack was the best to use against the enemy that you were fighting at that time. It has both abilities and guns, because it's meant to. You wouldn't play an RPG that has swords and magic in it, then complain that people used their magic instead of their sword to win, right? I mean, because you know going into it, that both are available. You know it's not just a sword simulator. The problem is that you're looking at Destiny wrong. It's the same situation as the hypothetical RPG that I mentioned earlier. The swords from the RPG would be equivalent to the guns in Destiny, and the magic from the RPG would be equivalent to the abilities Destiny. But because Destiny has guns, people that are used to FPS games, can't get their head outside of the "FPS box". They can only imagine that since it has guns, it should be just like the FPS, gun simulators, games that they're used to. The problem isn't the game, it's the people who can't grasp what the game actually is, and then complain about it. It'd be like playing chess, but then complaining that people can move more than one box at a time, you can't multi-jump your opponent's pieces, and your pieces don't get "kinged", when they make it to the other side of the board; like in checkers. Umm... Well... You realize it's Chess, not Checkers, right? Just because they're using the rules of the game to beat you, doesn't mean they don't have any skill. They're good at the game you're playing. They're using the rules that the game was designed with in mind, to beat you. Just because you think so, that only Checkers rules take skill; it means exactly d!ck, when you're playing chess. If you wanna play Checkers, then go play Checkers. Don't come to a Chess tourney, and then constantly complain that people are playing Chess, not Checkers.

and that made Destiny FUN. gun games get boring.... real fast.

They get boring for casual and bad players.

please... check my stats... see if i am casual or bad.

Pretty average

right.... but not casual or bad.

The good thing is fewer easy kills for casual and bad players