[spoiler]nice, the trick to magic though is spending time, on the two Mage characters I had, they both sucked throughout the first half of the game until I started to unlock adept and expert perks on my perk trees[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Huh. Stealth is just *crouch near enemies* and you're good. Once you've ranked it up, wearing appropriate armor, and such, you'll be good. I think the only perk tree I really tried in magic was Enchanting. I did ridiculous things with that.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]yea, same, I've ran a few stealth characters, but after a while I branched out a little and I've tried everything but two-handed[/spoiler]