You fail to see the reason of my post good sir. You see wearing the symbiote DOES come with a penalty reduction in super duration. Your just complaining about the lack of potential your exotic armor has. From an unbiased standpoint surely you can see the injustice of this.

Ok new leaf. so were talking about a a penalty to an exotic can you please tell me what the super time is with and without the helmet so I can understand better

12 seconds off - 9 seconds on.. which is total bs -_-

So each golden gun shot takes 4 seconds then with the helemt on each golden gun shot takes 2.25 seconds take away the time before another shot and the animation it give you about 7 or so seconds so yeah on paper that sounds realy bad but I've realised something each exotic makes you adapt to a playstyle. With the ram its a high amour build with twilight garisson its an agility build with the symbiot helemt it makes you use your golden gun quickly but with the addition of an extra shot

Your only able to pull off 3 shots if their not in a straight line..... this is bull. It literally makes the exotic null...

Like I said this exotic makes you use it when there are a group of people and are going to quickly shoot at them and as a reward for doing that you get an extra shot to help you

You haven't answered my question... do any of them come with legit penalties?

Yes. The Nothing Manticles you've gotta use those shit tier scatter grenades. And it's funny how hunters have tracking scatter grenades built in.

You've never actually used swarm grenade have you? Everybody knows not to walk into it, and the damage sucks.

That's why I called them shit tier, get your panties out of a bunch.

I wasn't talking about scatter grenade, but swarm grenade. Either you or me is really confused (possibly both)

Lol yea prob. Either way both of the grenades suck butt.

[quote] The ram The stag Any chest piece Dire arhamkara Obsidian mind Any gauntlets [/quote] Ram- very good. It's not overpowered anymore, sure, but I can run a max agility build and still have enough armor to survive a trip mine. It's a good piece. The Stag is [b]GREAT[/b] for Trials, I love how fast the super charges when you are the last guardian left, and also the over shield on top of the revive shield that it gives you every now and again has let me tank sniper shots lol. Heart of Praxic is still one of the best exotics for a sunsinger. It allows me to run a melee build and still be able to chunk never ending grenades. Granted all other chest pieces suck. Obsidian Mind is really nice (for PVE material) I can't tell you how many times I've thrown down a nova bomb and INSTANTLY had another Nova Bomb ready. I can't think of any gauntlets so yeah you got me there. They are pretty mediocre tbh.

Voidfang vestments double axion bolts every time your revived. Broken

Or you could even go a firebolt every time you spawn. Nasty.

I prefer the fusions if im running sunsinger

[quote][quote] The ram The stag Any chest piece Dire arhamkara Obsidian mind Any gauntlets [/quote] Ram- very good. It's not overpowered anymore, sure, but I can run a max agility build and still have enough armor to survive a trip mine. It's a good piece. The Stag is [b]GREAT[/b] for Trials, I love how fast the super charges when you are the last guardian left, and also the over shield on top of the revive shield that it gives you every now and again has let me tank sniper shots lol. Heart of Praxic is still one of the best exotics for a sunsinger. It allows me to run a melee build and still be able to chunk never ending grenades. Granted all other chest pieces suck. Obsidian Mind is really nice (for PVE material) I can't tell you how many times I've thrown down a nova bomb and INSTANTLY had another Nova Bomb ready. I can't think of any gauntlets so yeah you got me there. They are pretty mediocre tbh.[/quote] Stag is one of the worst exotics, the perk does so little its barely noticeable Heart of praxic fire give you [b][u]1[/u][/b] more than grenade durain super and possibly an extra melle if you use it right Obsidian mind it is an OK exotic but it was changed to not give you as much energy and let's face it except for stormcaller warlocks are very under powered compared to other class