Okay I'll just explain this two you Me: Can I ask you a serious question? How old are you Jack: [Whatever Jack came out with] Me: I'll take that as a 'no'; I can't ask you a serious question.. No offence Jack, but with some of the comments you've been coming out with, I'd be steering clear of the 'English' topic. But ah, I've just realised I'm arguing with a yank. That's a fruitless endeavour even at the best of times, so this is where I leave, and let you have the last word to make yourself feel like a real winner (go on, you know you can't resist)