I may be wrong, but I feel pointless hate and arguments on here is why a lot of problems don't get fixed too quickly. We are supposed to be a community working together to truly make this game great, and yet we point fingers and insult each other, and call each other scrubs. Instead of saying thorn needs a nerf and arguing about it, why not ask your fellow guardians what they use to combat it. Even say you don't like hand cannons and see what they say. Then try out their suggestions. Or ask if anyone would be willing to help you get better at crucible by showing you good team work to combat thorn an other weapons. There are tons of great people out there who would gladly help. May be hard to find through all the poison(sometimes I think it's us guardians who are the true thorns) but they are out there. Take the time to seek them out and have fun with others, rather than argue and be angry at them.