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3/16/2014 5:35:47 PM
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As IchEsseKinder said:
[quote]Whatever happened with "M-MUH BODY" and "M-MUH PRO-CHOICE"? -blam!-ing hypocrites[/quote]
I totally understand why people are angry with folks that don't vaccinate themselves or their children: They're risking the livelihood of other people for their own reasons, which is ultimately selfish. However, I think that liberals who support "women's rights to their own bodies", despite there being another body, are totally hypocritical.
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由HM Rob編輯： 3/16/2014 5:59:40 PMReally? How about that little person in the womb? I want to start imposing a lot of other medical practices as well, such as forced tube tying/vasectomies after having two children supported by welfare. That shit has way more than "zero effect" on other people.
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由HM Rob編輯： 3/16/2014 6:13:44 PMYour second sentence clearly defines the fetus as a person, just unborn. In the case of abortion, "unborn persons" beyond 20 weeks cannot legally be aborted. If a fetus is an unborn person, and some unborn persons cannot be legally terminated, then your definition is not inclusive.
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由HM Rob編輯： 3/16/2014 6:21:08 PM[url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/person]Well, according to Merriam-Webster:[/url] [quote]definition of person: a human being[/quote] A human being is a person, and thus if abortion is killing a human being, then it's also killing a person.
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由Quantum編輯： 3/19/2014 9:06:56 AM[quote] thus [b]if [/b]abortion is killing a human being, [/quote] [b]If.[/b] Do you consider a sperm cell to be a human being? These guys die in their millions. An egg? Most go unfertilized. A zygote? (Which are also naturally aborted, with anywhere from 5-20% of pregnancies leading to miscarriages).
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Sperms and eggs aren't human beings because they're reproductive cells that are each half of a whole. I don't know how you think this is even semi-applicable. And lol, an organism isn't going to naturally abort itself. Zygotes often just don't make it to the uterus, among other reasons.
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[quote]And lol, an organism isn't going to naturally abort itself. [/quote] Seriously? Are you really going to ignore the fact that spontaneous abortions are actually quite frequent? Babies can be aborted naturally, it happens all the time. Sometimes two weeks to two months into the pregnancy.
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[quote][quote]And lol, an organism isn't going to naturally abort itself. [/quote] Seriously? Are you really going to ignore the fact that spontaneous abortions are actually quite frequent? Babies can be aborted naturally, it happens all the time. Sometimes two weeks to two months into the pregnancy.[/quote] That kind of terminology implies that they're "aborting" themselves. The fact of the matter is that the conditions aren't suitable for the zygote to continue developing, and thus it dies.
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[quote] That kind of terminology implies [/quote] [quote]Babies can be aborted naturally, [/quote] This implies the female body does it naturally. Not the organism aborting itself. The zygote may be suitable if the conditions aren't right it can still happen.
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Again, the point is that if natural abortions occur all the time, your strawman of liberals about prochoice is invalid. Zygotes die all the time, so abortion in the first trimester is not something unheard. Even if it is by "choice", the "zygotes die" argument has little weight when it is a common natural occurrence.
