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2/18/2016 10:40:33 PM
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Honestly. I have strong evidence for God. You just won't accept any of it. Subjective experience is a thing.
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  • Better don't share or they will tear you apart. Lol

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  • Share your evidence. I make informed decisions, I'm not closed minded.

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  • That's the thing. I can't. It's disappointing. I can't show you a religious experience. I can't relate the feelings in an understandable way. I suppose it's somewhat like the Romantic poet's moments of Transcendence but it's also much more. It's all personal. It's entirely subjective. It's incredibly powerful. I can't show you it though, or prove it, or really even describe it. You feel it or you don't.

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    Do you have any thoughts on why you feel it, but others, such as myself, don't? Just curious.

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  • Sure. I'll give you two, a secular and religious one. First some background: My parents were missionaries, I was actually born in Lome, Togo. Togo is a tiny country on Africa's west coast. My parents had lived all throughout Africa in their twenty years of overseas work. We returned to America when I was 3 and my father became a pastor. I was raised Christian, in short. Despite my fantastic example in parents(or perhaps because of, who really knows),I went through my rebellious phase and was rather agnostic and borderline nihilistic for much of my early twenties. I was decidedly unchristian. I did regrettable things. Eventually though, I still arrived at Truth and had a deep and powerful religious experience. It happened while I was reading Augustine's "Confession," my intellectual arrogance was thrown in my face. Now, the secular justification is this(and I'm sure you already know this): I was brainwashed as a child and had no other alternative but to be a Christian. The line from Nietzche haunts me here (I couldn't find the exact quote unfortunately, so I'm paraphrasing). Something to the effect of "the religious sentiment is impossible to kill once established.". It could just be so deeply ingrained in my psyche it was inevitable. The Christian reason is this: I never stopped looking for Truth. The Bible says "seek and ye shall find.". I argued with God and denounced the idea in a million different ways. I did terrible things and embraced the idea that existence was all there was. But, I never stopped looking for the truth behind existence. I never thought I had possession of Truth and I kept looking. God's not afraid of you thinking. He's provided more than enough intelligent Christians in history that can answer any question you have. It was Augustine from a millennium ago that convinced me. At the end of the day we're free to believe what we want. The idea that I'm only a Christian because I was raised to be one doesn't worry me. It makes me feel profoundly lucky and thankful for the parents I had, they were always intelligent enough to let me think and engage my ideas, not just be dogmatic. The only thing that gets to me is when these unbelievers imply religion is stupid. What is stupid is to believe you have the answers to the big question's in life. I'm not going to insult the atheist because I understand them too well. They don't understand me at all, though. It's hard to stay cool, sometimes. To these combative atheists: Religion isn't about knowing all the answers. Religion is about finding the answers that matter and doing the things that matter. I don't care about the biblical passages you want to cite, you don't understand them like I do. You aren't trying to. I don't care about any of your arguments because they have no bearing on what I actually believe. You erect strawmen that have been torn down a million times. I'm much more interested in discussing truth, if you combative atheists are as well, just Google you're questions and do some fair research. There are more than enough good websites for mainstream Christian apologetics.

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    That's pretty interesting. Do you have an explanation for why you are a Christian and not, say, a Muslim?

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