What's sad to me is that it might be those bratty little kids' fault we're not getting a raid in the first place. Bungie said they had "been humbled" by the reception of the Raids, so they didn't put one in HoW. To me that sounded like "you guys gave us [i][b]soooooo[/b][/i] much crap for both raids, that we're second guessing ourselves."