Disclaimer: This is not your typical " Hunter is OP" or "Hunter needs a nerf!" thread. I am not complaining. I am not calling anything Overpowered. I am giving you my take on why the hunter is best for PvP. I have made a video to actually show you what I see. Gamers that are replying immediately say "stop whining". This is not the case. I would like this to be a constructive thread. Nothing malicious.
TL;DR: Sigh...it is a long post. If you fully read all the way of not. My whole argument to why the hunter, IMO, is the best PvP class is this:
The ability over other classes to activate its super away from a fight and bring it in. The distance from which they can activate it and the time (duration/cooldown bar) of the super. Aside from sunsinger. No other class has a "timed" super and/or have a consistent multi kill super.
There seems to be some confusion. In FPS there is a big difference between Overpowered, Over used, and Best.
For some reason they are wrapped up and used as synonymous. Here is an example (IMO) of all.
Over powered= Mythoclast pre patch
Over used= Suros Regime. Not over powered, overused.
Best= IMO ( Hunter.) best for PvP.
This post has caught a little bit of steam. Trying to make it a much easier read. I have added a video so I can explain what [b]I see[/b]. Again. This has nothing to do with Overpowered. This has everything to do with it being the best overall class for PvP.
I will go over the mind of a Titan and a Warlock player. This is that point: The hunter has the greatest chance to consistently get multikills. not just 1 kill. 2 or more. [i]Consistantly[/i], as opposed to a one and done super.
I am asking others to challenge me on this. I would like to call out the players that are naive about the hunter. By the way, again, this is no malicious post. It is an eye opener. At the end, I expect a people to say. Wow, you know what? You are right CoolGuy. I did not see that!
I am in no way calling for a nerf or a buff or anything of that nature, but PvP balancing will be coming to a server near you in the future.
The Hunter, Titan, and Warlock will all be tweaked.
Nothing in this game is overpowered as far as supers go. Everything can be countered. HOWEVER. Frame rate/ timing has to be PERFECT to shut down some supers. Here is why i believe the Hunter is the absolute, hands down, best PvP class.
[u]The Titan[/u]: Pertinent perks to the class.
1.) The shoulder charge- Yes, very silly . I agree.
2) The fist of Havok -[b] Here is something I want you to think about.[/b]
1.) Others say, well, the Titan FoH is a panic kill. Essentially, it is. You see, as a Titan, I find my self perpetually holding on to my super. This is not by choice. It is just the way it is. I am not sure if other players have even brought this extremely relevant point up. I can only speak for myself and my friends who use Warlocks. They say the same exact thing for a nova bomb. I get my super.....eh....wait for the perfect time. Wait for a couple enemies to group up......eh.....I find myself using it ONLY to defend myself. Aside from rare occasions in control. 3 people never group up. You pretty much have NO idea when to super with the Titan or Warlock. By the time I use it, i could have another super almost lol. But that is the thing, as a Hunter, i see my bar is up. Spawn. See a dot. BOOM. We are in GG mode. Do you pick up what I am puttin down?
The main thing about the fist.[b] The Titan has to be all in your grill to kill you. [/b]
Also, I am aware that the super DOES come back for the Titan and not for the Hunter. Again, i expect this to be addressed with a PvP update. However, the hunter...really should not be killed. The GG is easy street. As with the Titan Super coming back? Someone will die from the fist....someone....but then again. As a Titan (or Warlock)....you are constantly looking when to use your super...It is dragged way out....for 1 kill. We will get to the Hunter later.
3) The purple bubble- Let's be real. The bubble goes up. Why even go in there. I can not believe people even complain about this.....
Add on: A helmet can make the bubble blind people . ( yeah, really...do not go in there)
In all, the Titan is sluggish. Not very agile ( even with traits). The player model for the Titan is HUGE. Big target.
[u]The Warlock[/u]: Pertinent Perks
1) Voidwalker- The nova bomb. I am OK with the nova bomb. Honestly, it the [b]same exact thing as a one and done rocket[/b]. Again, timing by the user can be a fail. If fail or a hit...Super is done in one small area about eh size of a rocket blast.
2.) Sunsinger- Only super that has a duration. I will point out, it is no where near the lethality of the hunter. I have seen some bad sunsinger users lol. IMO can be very good...or very bad. If the user is good, then the sunsinger can do some damage. Again....I am OK with this.
The player model for the Warlock is AVERAGE. Has a little more agility. Regular target.
3. [u]The Hunter[/u]- Pertinent Perks ( here we go) Main focus: Distance and Duration.
1) The blink- Fast little guy comes around a corner with a shotgun. Jumps like MJ, you lose him. You are dead. The blink is so hard to track/defend. I am fully aware that the warlock has blink. I am also fully aware that the hunters player model is small and faster than the warlock too....
2.) archblade invisibility- It is there....it CAN be a thing.
3) Gunslinger- The "golden gun". 3 shots, [i]almost[/i] guaranteed kills. Here is the main thing(s). Distance and Duration.
There is a standoff. A hunter can pop his super from cover., do his little captain planet fist pump. and bam...dead. If the first shot misses, there are 2 more. But wait.....Say the first shot kills. The hunter keeps going to ice maybe a couple other guardians. Distance and duration. The hunter does not need to be close and the super can be spread out. Sure you can hear the hunters supers.....but really.....what can you do? I run.....sometimes it does not work. If roles were reversed. In a 1v1 situation. SURE. The titan or warlock would kill the hunter. However, that is just ONE kill. The super is over.
Helmet Perk: Can add another golden gun shot. 4 total shots.
4) The bladedancer- We have all seen it. It is all about timing. The super can be a dud...or a gamechanger. Not a one a done and again this is the theme. You can run around. We have all seen teams slaughtered by the blades. When in bladedancer, the user has more shields and is much faster.
I will not go too much into it. Just the main thing for the hunter....[b]distance and duration.[/b]
I am OK in PvP and get matched with good players.
Imagine Fighting a full team of Hunters in PvP .I show GREAT examples in the video. All with gunslinger that have 4 shots. [b]THE ORBS THEY DROP[/b]. The team communicates well. It is almost 20 guaranteed kills from a distance. 2 min of death..
Same with bladedancer. Think about that.
Challenge me . If you can. TY For the replies!
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4 отв.Here's a list of what you can die to inside the Supers with full health: Nova Bomb: Other Supers if you are lucky to hit them as soon as they jump and prepare the bomb Sunslinger: One and a half RPG Heavy Machine Guns Two Shotgun hits Shotgun + Melee combo Every other combat Super Assault Rifles Hand Cannons Pulse Rifles Scout Rifles Sniper Rifles Fusion Rifles Inceptor(Or w.e it's spelt) Pikes Mobile Machine Gun Sniper Rifles Fist of Havoc: Nothing 99.9% of the time Bubble: I'd assume other Supers, but 80% of the time I use Golden Gun or BD to get inside and attack, I die lol, so I just avoid them. Bladedancer: One RPG Heavy Machine Guns Two Shotgun hits Shotgun + Melee combo Every other combat Super Assault Rifles Hand Cannons Pulse Rifles Scout Rifles Sniper Rifles Fusion Rifles Inceptor(Or w.e it's spelt) Pikes Mobile Machine Gun Sniper Rifles Golden Gun: One RPG Heavy Machine Guns Two Shotgun hits Shotgun + Melee combo Every other combat Super Assault Rifles Hand Cannons Pulse Rifles Scout Rifles Sniper Rifles Fusion Rifles Inceptor(Or w.e it's spelt) Pikes Mobile Machine Gun Sniper Rifles And Hunters are the one with the OP Supers? If you can't kill them with one of the MANY choices, then your opinion doesn't matter. [b][u]Every Super has a tell, learn it and avoid it or kill them.[/b][/u] It doesn't take a Crucible Legend to figure out Voidwalkers jump and produce a purple ball before they shoot a Nova Bomb. It isn't hard to hear or watch the animation play out when a Hunter uses Golden Gun or Bladedancer, and a blind man could tell a Titan is using a shotgun inside their bubble. The only Super that might be to quick to avoid is the Fist of Havoc, and even so, they usually waste it for one kill, while Hunters only get their Super's twice a match at the most. No Super is OP, or UP right now. Titans and Warlocks get an AoE that can take down an entire team with no damage done to them if they time it right. Hunters are killable in every way when they use their Supers, so it isn't "unbalanced" to allow them to run around for 10 seconds, wasting a second for each slash they create to close the distance between them and one other person. If you are dumb enough to sit there and stare at a BD/GG user while they are attacking your teamates, then you deserve to die. Just as it is with Nova Bomb, Sunslinger, and Fist of Havoc; Move out the way. tl;dr - madcuzbad
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1 ответFist of Havoc is really only a panic or a "I know you're better than me so I have to 1HKO you before I'm dead" kind of move. Literally have that move done when I'm the ONLY person around most of the time. No strategy involved. You forgot to mention golden gun has penetrating bullets that can make guardians explode. Too funny on Control.
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1 ответAll clases are balanced and have their own -blam!-ing bs one hit kill or w/e Titan defender: invincible shield used mosly for panic i dont wanna die or capping a point Titan striker: panic i dont wanna die to kill the guy owning me or im gonna destroy theese 4-5 guys Hunter gunsliger: 3-4 one hit kills if aimed well Hunter bladedancer(with hungarian blade): consecutive kills+full health regen Warlock voidwalker: panic because im dying/ destroy everyone capping point Warlock sunsinger: killed me? Nah
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1 ответI agree with the video, some good points. Don't mind all the "quit whining!" people, they are all most likely hunters :P
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4 отв.I maxed out both hunter classes, and striker. I feel from experience like i can get more consistent multikills with FoH. Any player worth their salt can render golden gun or arc blade nearly useless with their legs. You know they popped super so you run till it wears off. Smash turns an ordinary gunfight into a slaughter. A titan stumbles into 2+ enemies in a hallway and kills them with super. Hunter finds 2 enemies in hallway and gets killed while activating super.
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7 отв.Also....stop with the PvE. An argument is that " well, the bladedancer sucks for PvE" I mean really. As a Titan. Do i go all the way up into Atheons shit and Fist of Havok? HELL NO. Death every time. I do not get to use ANY attacking super vs a boss. A bubble or no super. That argument is not valid. Please stop posting it.
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Изменено (Nuuuu): 10/23/2014 5:35:08 PM...You are not Coolguy Also why would bungie change this, look dude you just have to ask yourself 1. Why would bungie read a post this long (seriously how did you have the time to write this). 2. Why would they Change it.
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5 отв.Well, you raise a good argument and I have to say you're mostly right. In the hands of an average player, a hunter or group of hunters can dominate by using their supers, mainly because of the ease with which they can be chained and every shot is a one hit kill. Thing is, much like your argument of how a hunter can easily shut down a super with his/her super, the hunters can be shut down as easily by, you guessed it, another super. For example, Bladedancer does superhero fist pump and dashes off towards Titan. Titan promptly responds with fist off havoc. Who wins the showdown? Both are superpowered. Both are melee one hit kills. The Titans area effect and nigh invulnerability will win out unless the hunter has damn good timing. Also, consider the gunslinger versus a defender. If he pulls GG, titan pulls magic bubble. Standoff. If gunslinger runs in bubble, he almost surely dies, particularly if more than one person is inside or if the titan has blinding helmet. If titan leaves bubble he's screwed. If hunter leaves to kill someone else, titan proceeds to shoot him in the back. And if hunter waits to long, GG goes away and we're back to square one. And there's a number of other scenarios I can list, so let me summarize my point: The Hunter can be easily shut down by other supers if you're smart about it. With that said, the rest is spot on. Hunters still win because they can spam the super and kill kill kill. It's totally gonna get nerfed.
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11 отв.TL;DR Quit bitchin' all classes are OP in the right hands suck it up and git gud
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Изменено (MegaSweetButter): 10/23/2014 4:57:13 PMI just [i]love[/i] how many of the comments below have no actual basis on the post by the OP but are simply the unhelpful spouting off of ridiculous "he's a whiner" statements that are easily disproved by the simple act of reading and the simple skill of comprehension. Have some patience and actually read this well articulated and logical post. Yes, this is unhelpful as well. Go away trolls
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I enjoyed the post, thanks for the video and read.
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1 ответSounds like someone doesnt know how to kill hunters. Lawl.
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1 ответWhy don't people like you ever shut the -blam!- up in these forums
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1 ответThe people crying about hunters being up are just bad.
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2 отв.Изменено (Banned n3rd): 10/19/2014 2:16:50 PMTitans are much more powerful than you make them out to be. I should know. The Hunter had the worst abilities of any class, but their supers are the best. Quit bitching and get good.
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1 ответTopic was enough, wall of text is more than enough. Just another player that got facerolled in pvp. Hunter here. Going showerfapperino now kkthxbye skeedskeedskeed
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2 отв."I have used a Titan well over 1500 hours" 1500/24= 62.5... So you have played 62.5 complete days since release? The game hasn't even been out 2 months. I stopped taking your post seriously after reading that claim, even if is hyperbole.
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The best pvp class is the one you like the best.
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8 отв.Their the worst pve class
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Come on guys :). I just made the video, as it is easier to show you than write it out. Tell me what you think.
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Youtube and more added! Please comment :)
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Updating today or tomorrow with a video and a cleaned up post!
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1 ответIf it is such a problem delete your lvl 26 hunter with 4 golden gun shots and stop perpetuating the problem
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TL:DR But in honesty,replying to your title.I don't think they are the BEST PvP class anymore,but probably the go to/recommended one for PvP..
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Then y even make a post... So possibly someone sees and nerfs the hunter... Seems fishy..
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