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5/26/2014 3:55:13 AM
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Form-for-form, one necromorph of nearly any type is superior to a flood combat form. They can also bring out their bigger forms more quickly. The necromorphs can not only utilize weaponry (in a primitive manner), but they can physically fuse themselves to technology and use it in unorthodox ways, hence the twitchers.
That said, flood are a much more [i]intelligent[/i] enemy, but the Marker's mind--blam!- powers would hamper that a good deal. That's actually extremely convenient for the necromorphs.
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Изменено (ch33zy burrito): 5/27/2014 3:44:52 AM[quote]Form-for-form, one necromorph of nearly any type is superior to a flood combat form. [/quote] Yeah right. Not standard combat forms for each side anyway. Necromorph "claws" are meant for cutting while Flood "claws" are meant for crushing and in some cases cutting.
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I don't see the flood shrugging off blasts meant to burn through rock.
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Plasma rounds almost less effective than standard projectiles, and they can handle standard rounds just fine
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>Implying Halo's plasma is as powerful as plasma cutter rounds. Halo's plasma is meant to splatter on people and burn the surface of them. Dead Space's plasma rounds are meant to go straight through whatever they hit. Bit of a difference in power there.
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[quote]>Implying Halo's plasma is as powerful as plasma cutter rounds. [/quote] You're right. It [i]is[/i] stronger than plasma cutter rounds. [quote] Dead Space's plasma rounds are meant to go straight through whatever they hit. Bit of a difference in power there.[/quote] Made to cut through something=/=power. Halo's plasma is more to splash and burn as you said but each of the bolts is super heated and most cases end up with the plasma burning through the target instead of burning the surrounding.
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[quote]You're right. It is stronger than plasma cutter rounds.[/quote] That's cute. [quote]Made to cut through something=/=power. Halo's plasma is more to splash and burn as you said but each of the bolts is super heated and most cases end up with the plasma burning through the target instead of burning the surrounding.[/quote] Hmmm...no. At no point in Halo's lore has plasma burned straight through somebody...or if it has, it wasn't anything like Dead Space's plasma. Notice how a plasma cutter round can blast some poor bastard's head clean off. Notice Halo's plasma can't.
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[quote]That's cute. [/quote] And true. [quote]Hmmm...no. At no point in Halo's lore has plasma burned straight through somebody...or if it has, it wasn't anything like Dead Space's plasma. [/quote] Carter in Halo Reach. Some named ODST's in First Strike but I've forgotten their name, a named Spartan III in Ghosts of Onyx which I've also forgotten their name. [quote] Notice how a plasma cutter round can blast some poor bastard's head clean off. Notice Halo's plasma can't.[/quote] Gameplay<Canon And if you want to go off gameplay, plasma rifles/pistol bolts can shoot off arms and heads of the flood. Also it was mentioned that plasma rounds almost always create 4th degree burns or worse.
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[quote]And true.[/quote] No. [quote]Carter in Halo Reach. Some named ODST's in First Strike but I've forgotten their name, a named Spartan III in Ghosts of Onyx which I've also forgotten their name. [/quote] That burned through their armor. It did not burn a hole clean through them. [quote]And if you want to go off gameplay, plasma rifles/pistol bolts can shoot off arms and heads of the flood.[/quote] Mainly because their bodies are rotten and decaying. The necromorphs would shrug that off like nothing. [quote]Also it was mentioned that plasma rounds almost always create 4th degree burns or worse.[/quote] Which still isn't burning straight through them.
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Изменено (ch33zy burrito): 5/27/2014 8:25:39 PM[quote]No. [/quote] It is. [quote]That burned through their armor. It did not burn a hole clean through them. [/quote] What? The ODST's I mentioned had legit holes in the front of their armor. [quote]Mainly because their bodies are rotten and decaying.[/quote] 1. Same with the necromorphs. 2. This is unlikely, infection forms usually do their infecting with live prey. 3. It's [i]still[/i] gameplay. [quote]The necromorphs would shrug that off like nothing.[/quote] You can't shrug off super-heated plasma like nothing, especially when it spreads and dissolves/grows around the burned area. Once one place is burned the burn spreads until it has fully cooled doing even more damage. [i]Especially[/i] against skin which is around 90 percent of a necromorph. [quote]Which still isn't burning straight through them.[/quote] Fine, if you really want to get so nit-picky about it. Burning almost through bone when armored is close enough.
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Изменено (Lord Keksworth): 5/30/2014 3:43:11 PM[quote]It is.[/quote] It isn't. The plasma cutter was made to burn through rocks and minerals far tougher than MJOLNIR. If Halo's plasma can only sometimes manage the latter, it is not as powerful as Dead Space's plasma. [quote]What? The ODST's I mentioned had legit holes in the front of their armor.[/quote] [quote]in the front of their armor[/quote] Still not burning straight through them. [quote]You can't shrug off super-heated plasma like nothing, especially when it spreads and dissolves/grows around the burned area[/quote] And yet they do anyway. Didn't hit them in a limb? Then you didn't do jack shit to them.
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[quote]It isn't. The plasma cutter was made to burn through rocks and minerals far tougher than MJOLNIR.[/quote] I don't understand how you even... I mean fine, prove it. Show me where, how, and what rocks are supposed to be stronger than MJOLNIR and then show me how the plasma cutter is capable of penetrating it when it had parts specifically made to disperse plasma. I know you won't be able to but its better to just watch. [quote] If Halo's plasma can only sometimes manage the latter, it is not as powerful as Dead Space's plasma .[/quote] 1.Once again gameplay<canon. 2. Plasma is plasma, its not hotter than anything. It depends on how compact and/or ionized it is. 3. Halo's plasma is purer while Dead Space's is more dense allowing it to cut through rocks easier but that doesn't mean Halo's can't either. It can be directed by changing the magnetic field which leads to a focus rifle-type round except much stronger. [quote]And yet they do anyway. [/quote] They don't. They can be taken down by plasma rounds just fine yet it always comes down to you using gameplay as canon. They can even be taken down by standard pistol rounds as seen in the movie, meanwhile plasma rounds are stronger/faster. [quote] Didn't hit them in a limb? Then you didn't do jack shit to them.[/quote] For the millionth time, gameplay is not canon. Regardless the movies prove this is wrong as they can be killed by standard pistol rounds. Also flood limbs are stronger and thicker making this even less effective. Even with gameplay on your side they can be killed with a good amount of plasma rounds to the chest so this is invalid.
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[quote]Show me where, how, and what rocks are supposed to be stronger than MJOLNIR and then show me how the plasma cutter is capable of penetrating it when it had parts specifically made to disperse plasma.[/quote] Y'know what planet crackers are? They're ships that literally tear a planet apart to mine for minerals inside. Then, people take plasma cutters down to blast through rock formations made via millions of tons of pressure squashing it all into one super-dense mass. Which, y'know, is just a tad more durable than an inch or two of metal and a bodysuit. A shot from a plasma cutter would blow a Spartan's head off, armor be damned. [quote]1.Once again gameplay<canon.[/quote] For Halo. Different story for Dead Space. Everything from gameplay to cutscenes is canon. [quote]2. Plasma is plasma, its not hotter than anything.[/quote] Halo's plasma has been calculated to be around 300 to 500 degrees Celsius. Hot enough to burn flesh like paper. It takes plasma that is approximately 45,000 degrees Fahrenheit to [i]cut[/i] with plasma according to Google...which is what plasma cutters do. [quote]3. Halo's plasma is purer while Dead Space's is more dense allowing it to cut through rocks easier but that doesn't mean Halo's can't either.[/quote] If it can, it would, but practicality is a non-factor in Halo, as we all know. [quote]They can even be taken down by standard pistol rounds as seen in the movie, meanwhile plasma rounds are stronger/faster.[/quote] By a few dozen bullets from multiple sources, perhaps. They can still shrug off blasts that would go straight through a Spartan. [quote]Also flood limbs are stronger and thicker making this even less effective[/quote] lolno. [quote]they can be killed with a good amount of plasma rounds to the chest[/quote] Yeah, a good dozen, whereas one of pretty much anything to the chest will kill a combat form. Their weak point is literally [i]right there in plain sight.[/i]
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[quote]Y'know what planet crackers are? They're ships that literally tear a planet apart to mine for minerals inside.[/quote] Very small parts only a bit larger if [i]even[/i] larger than the ship that cut the portion in the first place. [quote]Which, y'know, is just a tad more durable than an inch or two of metal and a bodysuit. A shot from a plasma cutter would blow a Spartan's head off, armor be damned. [/quote] Halo's shielding is designed to withstand projectiles which is sorta what a plasma cutter launches, ceramic layer that throws off bullets/sharp objects, a layer of plasma dispersing stuff, titanium alloy, and what ever else is inside MJOLNIR would block out it easily. Halo's shielding also disperses heat and/or weather so its basically just a dense ball of plasma heading towards a spartan. Once again the entire suit itself was designed to withstand things like this. Plasma cutter rounds are nothing like you describe and is only barely above a bullet in damage because of the armor. [quote]For Halo. Different story for Dead Space. Everything from gameplay to cutscenes is canon. [/quote] Prove it. I want to see where and when those who created the lore for the series say that gameplay/cutscenes=canon. Dead Space has plenty to back it up like comics and movies. [quote]Halo's plasma has been calculated to be around 300 to 500 degrees Celsius. Hot enough to burn flesh like paper. [/quote] Nope, plasma is 3000 degrees C in Ghosts of Onyx. [quote] It takes plasma that is approximately 45,000 degrees Fahrenheit to [i]cut[/i] with plasma according to Google...which is what plasma cutters do. [/quote] Show me. [quote] If it can, it would, but practicality is a non-factor in Halo, as we all know. [/quote] Muh forerunner sentinels, muh focus rifle, muh beam rifle, and I think there's a few more from the UNSC. [quote] They can still shrug off blasts that would go straight through a Spartan. [/quote] Not at all. [quote]lolno. [/quote] Yup. It was strong enough to bash through ODST armor and strong enough to take hits from chief, it also couldn't be shot off according to The Flood. It's capable of crushing through bone in flesh in a second as said in The Flood. [quote]Yeah, a good dozen, whereas one of pretty much anything to the chest will kill a combat form. Their weak point is literally [i]right there in plain sight.[/i][/quote] Gameplay<Canon Either way its not as blatant as yellow weak parts that literally glow showing where to shoot. Because you know, dead space gameplay=canon.
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Изменено (Lord Keksworth): 5/28/2014 3:00:27 AM[quote]Very small parts only a bit larger if even larger than the ship that cut the portion in the first place.[/quote] [url=http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081027031132/deadspace/images/e/e6/Deadspacewideship_rotated.jpg]Right. Small.[/url] [quote]Halo's shielding is designed to withstand projectiles which is sorta what a plasma cutter launches[/quote] Though it was never made to withstand blasts that powerful. [quote]Plasma cutter rounds are nothing like you describe and is only barely above a bullet in damage because of the armor.[/quote] Despite being able to blast an armored head off and burn through rock more durable than damn near anything. Right. [quote]Prove it. I want to see where and when those who created the lore for the series say that gameplay/cutscenes=canon. Dead Space has plenty to back it up like comics and movies.[/quote] Just because the whole 'gameplay =/= canon' thing applies to Halo doesn't mean it applies to everything else. Dead Space's gameplay [i]is[/i] its story. Everything you see is canon. They even comment on key gameplay elements like weak points and life bars without breaking the fourth wall. If you can see it in-game, it's canon. End of. [quote]Nope, plasma is 3000 degrees C in Ghosts of Onyx. [/quote] That's nice. Still doesn't measure up to the plasma cutter. [quote]Show me.[/quote] [url=http://www.airgas.com/content/details.aspx?id=7000000000235]Says here[/url] it's at 40,000 F. The site I was on a bit ago said 45,000 F, but now I can't find it. Either way, still more powerful than what the Covenant use. [quote]Muh forerunner sentinels,[/quote] Which get taken down by shotgun blasts according to 'The Flood'. [quote]muh focus rifle,[/quote] Which overheats in around two seconds, gives away your position, and would run out of power in a laughably short amount of time. [quote]muh beam rifle,[/quote] See above. [quote]and I think there's a few more from the UNSC.[/quote] Good lord no. Between the godawful vehicle designs, guns comparable to today's firearms (if that), and whoever made the Spartan Laser, [i]nothing[/i] the UNSC has can be described as even remotely practical. They reach Imperium of Man levels of impracticality. [quote]Not at all.[/quote] If it can burn through a planet's inner crust, it can burn through MJOLNIR like tissue. [quote]Yup. It was strong enough to bash through ODST armor and strong enough to take hits from chief, it also couldn't be shot off according to The Flood. It's capable of crushing through bone in flesh in a second as said in The Flood.[/quote] Fine, fine. Still wouldn't amount to much in close combat with a necromorph, though. [quote]Either way its not as blatant as yellow weak parts that literally glow showing where to shoot. Because you know, dead space gameplay=canon.[/quote] Yes, actually. And still not as easily shot as the center of mass. A combat form's weak point it literally the first thing somebody would shoot.
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A Flood combat form's power is dependent upon its host. Pure forms however have no reasonable upper limit to what they can accomplish. And the marker has never demonstrated the ability to mind -blam!- anything more intelligent than mortals, certainly not a transsentient gestalt immortal entity older than time that casually -blam!-s physics by existing, and has also demonstrated mind -blam!- abilities itself.
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[quote]And the marker has never demonstrated the ability to mind -blam!- anything more intelligent than mortals[/quote] They f*cked over that extremely advanced race seen in the third game, and it's heavily implied there were more species in the galaxy that all got wiped out by the Markers. Evidently, how powerful and advanced the species they're screwing with doesn't matter in the slightest.
