The power creep argument is obviously a lie. Sunsetting is implemented to extend the grind and rat race. It makes little to no sense that to fix power creep they introduce identical weapons with the exact same loot pool. My Night Watch scout is getting sunset because it is supposed to be too powerful and I can't use it beyond 1060 power. In order to fix that problem they introduce the exact same gun with the exact same loot pool but now I can use it up to 1360 power. How is that fixing power creep in the slightest?

Power creep in Destiny is and has been a lie since they came up with it before shadowkeep launch It is the lie that streamers promote in their videos. the lie that mindless sheep that can’t think for themselves believe. The lie bungie tell so you’ll be more inclined to accept needless nerfs And it works, they nerf stuff that didn’t need it and everybody just accepts it because “it’s good for the game” If bungie had any real talent left this wouldn’t be a thing If streamers weren’t so desperate to keep making videos to grab money from their fan bases it wouldn’t be a thing If the mindless sheep that believe the lie could actually figure out how much of a lie it is it wouldn’t be a thing

That's all it is, really. If Bungie thinks they're going to sunset my Bygones, Loaded Question, and Hammerhead at 1060 and then RERELEASE them with the Fall DLC with a power cap of 1500 (or whatever the cap will be) they're crazy. I already have an EP SMG, why do I need to grind for a new one? Random rolls? Poor argument because random rolled legendary weapons and armor are already capped. I played for the first time yesterday in four months... four months and all my excitement went out the window because I have to replace my fully MW armor if I want to move forward. I'm casual as -blam!-... those armor pieces and weapons took me two seasons to level up and I missed out on certain mods. Sunsetting would be fine if we had new weapons and perks to chase -- not a new symbol on the gear page thumbnail. I'm not regrinding for a weapon I already own when I have a vault full of them and I'm sure as hell not masterworking weapons and armor -- too expensive. I'll be the potato in matchmakings using his highest light crap instead of what works because it's all I have -- I can't play how I want and I won't be generating additional orbs. I apologize in advance.

[quote]I’m missing something, right? Help me out here, if I am.[/quote] Yes. Because you aren't making the distinction between year THREE rules and year FOUR rules. [b]Nothing in the game has been sunset yet.[/b] Those are YEAR FOUR rules that Bungie just gave us a heads-up about. The gear that is being put out this season are following YEAR THREE rules. Rules where guns that were part of seasonal loot pulls were taken out of the game, and Bungie promised us that they would be reintroduced later in the year for people who missed that season to acquire. Bungie is living up to an OLD promise. Not making a down payment on Year 4.

Nope you’ve nailed it. The lie that is. There is no power creep and there isn’t any reason to force a regrind on existing gear other than to mask the lack of new development.

Im more annoyed that console players always get the shaft because of how all these weapons act in the PC environment.

Who cares Just use the new stuff. It all looks cool and has better perks

power creep is just a number. its all relative. so call it 'relative power' and tell players its calculated by their actual power level with base enemy power subtracted from it. edz fallen always able to damage you no matter what power level. whether you are a new player or at the cap, a vandal or dreg will shoot at and damage you. you can still die at max power during the cabal fallen fight in the edz, just as easily as a new player. each season then becomes an intelligence reassessment by the vanguard. right at the start of each season you are called to zavala or ikora and they tell you 'the enemy all over has responded, or else you culled the weak so effectively, the ones left are much more powerful. your power advantage over them has been closed.' and you find your 'relative' power has gone down. end of power creep. you keep same max cap as last season. your weapons arent sunset, but they do lose power as you do, so the gap to the basic enemy is back from 300 levels over, to maybe 50. bosses are again very challenging until you power level again to cap. and they can even have a pretty but meaningless stat thats the same for everyone, when on inventory screen showing the 'supposed' actual power level cap. all that will be is your relative power with a big number added, and it has no other game function. they could even just make a background image with that 'max power' number on rather than have it as a variable. the real 'power level' would appear to reset to the lowest level each season, and you would push it through your gear back up to the cap. the darkness returning would have been the perfect way to do this without sunsetting, or locking the story behind team activities for that matter. surely the darkness hates the light so much, then it would try and boost those in conflict with it. bring them up to the guardians' level. so effectively we are at 1000 to begin with season of arrivals, for sake of argument; darkness lets fallen and hive and cabal find lots of little weapon gift boxes that look like abandoned supplies of their weapons but the enemy find those weapons mjuch more effective against guardians, and they also get blueprints to make them. instantly the fallen and others got bumped up from 500 levels down to 50 levels down. to avoid confusing large numbers, the vanguard are forced to be clearer and so they come up with the 'effective power difference' or 'relative power level'. this affects guardians and their weapons. sunsetting is a terrible idea because our power is not intrinsic to our abilities and super. it depends solely on our gear. MY version of sunsetting doesnt include the cap on the weapons you like. so there is no reason to just not bother with masterworking something you like. you can keep a masterworked weapon, and spend several seasons masterworking something new that drops to compare it. if you like the play style better, you can swap to it permanently. and that should be the test of whether you switched. my warlock did this exact process with ether doctor and steelfeather. when the latter dropped, it was great, fun to use, and good looking with saint xiv in the aim reticle. so ether doc got dismantled and steelfeather got masterworked. i uninstalled because sunsetting even my exotics meant it reset the kill tracker every season and i loved my kill tracker. it meant masterworking or even upgrading was pointless, because it all means grind made meaningless by another sunset next season. there is a reason ancient tales tell of King Sisyphus who was punished by Zeus by forcing him to roll a rock uphill endlessly. thats upgrade and masterworking under the sunsetting system - an endless uphill struggle which never gets anywhere. and that removed one of the reasons i player, the other being the story. i would log in to do bounties to earn cores to masterwork. every now and then, something new i liked would drop, like steelfeather, or the thunderlord. the first made me swap loadout on my warlock a little. the second made me completely rework my titan loadout, and begin remasterworking the new kinetics. that goal is gone. and the story is locked behind bungies new ban em all to get one cheater policy, because of means to an end. im not reassured by hints that it doesnt apply to matchmade activities because those are excluded by a legally binding sentence explicitly and clearly saying so. i understand why - so they can go back if they discover someone cheated in a matchmade activity and they didnt detect it until they figure there was a new cheat or however it works. but it was too much a risk to even do strikes once that TWAB was published. any, thats my idea of how sunsetting could be avoided. the excuse 'nobody tries any new weapons' is clearly just a cover. even if they were right some people dont change for years, well maybe they LIKE the way those weapons play and dont want to be forced to play with things they absolutely hate but which happen to be what bungie wants more playing with so increased the drop rate. if its higher power, you drop the current and switch. of course, if they didnt make enemies more powerful (no yellow bar mobs on io) then they would been correct about sticking with what you enjoy using. but they backtracked on that. even if it HAD worked this season, next it would be impossible - because of the power creep. this doesnt solve power creep. the creep happens, you just dont have the chance to masterwork or keep weapons you like, because of sunsetting. i think my version is better. everything is still sunset. its a power CYCLE not a power SUNSET though, you can still keep what you enjoy, still try new things while they are higher power and decide if you like it to keep and masterwork over several season. and you dont get the backlash im seeing here. it wont fix me not being able to do the story anymore in this season. so i will never see how this season story played out except by watching youtube. but at least i could have kept working on my gear rather than being disincentivised to have destiny even installed thanks to sunsetting. if sunsetting goes or changes to my version even i will consider coming back. but it will probably not be in time to pre-order the new dlc, and i will wait because of how they gated the story behind forced team up activities, to see if the dlc has the same. if so, then masterworking gear AND KEEPING WHAT I ENJOY USING will be the ONLY reason to keep the game installed. and not enough reason to buy dlc in future.

first i was in favor of sunsetting because i thought that they OBVIOUSLY will introduce new weapons. When i saw that they are just reintroducing the same weapons with a higher possible light level i was really confused. It makes no sence at all. Why would i wanna grind a new gnawing hunger or a new spare rations. its absolutly ridiculous and meaningless.

Go do the Leviathan raid at 1000 power then tell me if power creep isn't real.