[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/12447/7_bungie-weekly-update---12042014]They've been lying for a lot longer than six months.[/url] [i]"In the months to come, your quest to become more powerful will have more avenues that lead to satisfaction. [b][u]The last thing we wanted was for you to look at your favorite gun or helmet and decide that it had become obsolete[/u][/b]. Since the reveal, we’ve read a lot of ideas for how this could have been done better. [b][u]Your feedback is clear: The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected.[/u][/b]"[/i] So much for promises.

People bring up The Taken King, saying it was the best expansion and it also obsoleted equipment... they forget that the dark below also obsoleted the whole previous set of equipment, and this was hated by the majority of players. So, going into House of Wolves, bungie came up with three things which I would say restored the community’s faith: infusion, trials, and re-rolling weapon perks during iron banner. These three things made house of wolves the most loved period in destiny for me. It restored my patience just enough that when TTK came out and made my entire vault worthless within any meaningful content (and hopscotch pilgrim got the same treatment the Luna’s howl got) and simultaneously took away the ability to re-roll, I could stomach it because I had been through it before, and had hope that it wouldn’t happen again until d2 rolled around, and it would then be understandable. To me, though, nothing was worse than trying to level up in ttk. Class armor got a light level, and so did the ghost shell, and rng provided situations where two nightfall weeks in a row, you gained a ghost shell at the end as the drop with better light, stifling progression. Basically, everything that made ttk enjoyable had nothing to do with obsoleting gear or them taking away the ability to re-roll, but it had everything to do with the story and the content. Great strikes, great raid, (though I liked the first two better), and the new subclasses for each class. Forced gear obsolescence was tolerated because it was less an expansion, and more like a sequel. Next, people say that weapons can still be used in “most content”... but I would argue that by using and practicing with obsolete gear, you are setting yourself up for failure in the event that you decide to do the meaningful content and cannot use the gear that comes most naturally to you... and thus, well at least for me, I decided to keep old stuff but wound up never using it outside of simply to reminisce. Finally, if power creep is a concern, simply don’t. Nerf whatever was OP by itself, or not, but don’t tune content towards being challenging for the OP stuff... instead, allow the op stuff to be used in the base or normal version, but create challenge conditions which bar certain exotics or pinnacle gear, and perhaps require an exotic be used in a specific slot. Many ways you can make the same content appeal to lucky casuals hardcore players alike. Challenge rewards could be shaders, sparrows with hyper thrusters, or even just additional weekly drops. If you read through this whole thing you’re a trooper. Either way, agree or not, I appreciate your opinion and I hope you have a great day.

Anyone remember the "See that hill over there ?? .. You can go there." .. before Destiny launched ??, yet you cant go there. They've been lying since 2013.

remember ppl grinding for redrix's claymore then broadsword came up and ppl forced to regrind again? pepperridge farm remembers

D1 has retirement and I say taken king was one of the best expansions Also POWERCREEP

I'm at the point that Bungie shocks me more when they tell the truth about something.

Exactly. How come borderlands can do it with 1000x more weapon variations? seems like a load of hogwash to be able to relaunch weapons that have been taken away at a later date. Not fooling me again bungo. 🖕🖕🖕🖕

[quote]Inb4 fanboys and people who want to sound hardcore say they love the idea.[/quote] I [i]am[/i] a fanboy and (kinda) hardcore, and I -blam!-ing hate the retirement idea

Powercreep. Edit: I’m surprised how many people on here think that Bungie is taking away their weapons lmao

I made a post about this [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/255353746]here [/url]if you want to read the whole thing, but basically my criticism is that the current RNG of the game is too harsh to put a time limit on acquiring god rolls. If there is not a fundamental rework of loot in some way to accommodate the new system of rotating gear, unlucky people will not be able to get the weapons they want before they just become obsolete.

People seem to think bungie need to keep making BETTER weapons for them to want to grind them. I don’t think so. Exotics, sure, but legendaries just need to be interesting enough and appeal to players visually. Balance the bad perks so they are more desirable and tune the ones that have become the reason for power creep. Forcing peoples hands into obtaining new weapons for pinnacle activities is the laziest way to fix their lack of wanting to balance.

Bungie could not be bothered to make new loot for the dumpster fire known as Trials, yet they are able to replace the "retired" weapons with something new? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

To anyone in favor of weapon shelving: I want you to give me one good reason why you think this change is needed. "Because I'm tired of getting killed by Spare Rations in crucible" is not a good reason.