You're kidding right? Loaded question - has always been great since it came out. It's only recently it's come into the fore but it was [u]always[/u] that good. People just preferred shotguns but now they're kinda meh (compared to where they used to be), they realise what a great weapon has been in front of them for some time. Wendigo - Is the [u]highest[/u] dmg output weapon in the game when proc'd, so is totally a pinnacle weapon. Oxygen - is actually a lot better than poeple give it credit for. The issue is more with the scout rifle class in general, however the weapon is perfectly usable right now and performs well. Want to two tap an entire group of adds - sorted. Sure, you may not like that design but that's subjective, it still performs to a standard higher than normal legendary weapons which is the point of these weapons. Comparing these to recluse and mountain top is redundant because anyone with any sense will admit they are both OP currently and will no doubt be getting nerfed sooner or later. You're also comparing the vanguard pinnalce weapons to pvp pinnacle weapons but forgetting the other pvp ones.. Luna - not really that great since the nerf. Many legendary guns out perform it. Redrix - so situational that it's always been a massive under performer and barely ever used.