I think you're missing my point but a good talk none the less. I didn't like Vanilla Destiny 2. I actually thought it was rather boring but that's the loots fault and not the leveling. It went so far I was ready to quit. While yes Destiny has always had leveling, and some people go overboard caring about it down to a very specific number, it has never really mattered outside of LL advantage situations or been the actual point of the game. I push for less meaningless leveling hurdles, and more activities with better meaningful loot. That's the real focus I think Destiny 2 is missing. As for your borderlands post I really hope whoever goes there has fun. Me? I'm more likely to dive back into MHW IB since it is actually challenging with great rewards and use Halo for my PvP fix. As for Bungie's future they still have a long way to go to earn my trust back. I've not seen anything beyond Managerie that gives me any hope for the future. I hope Shadowkeep will revive my faith in Bungie more but I'm not optimistic. Because of previously mentioned problems alongside others.