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Изменено (TheShadow-cali):
6/23/2019 3:26:59 PM
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In D1 I thought it was nuts for gamers to restart a character, but now that I look at it, they were far better off running a new character in D1 vs D2. Mainly because any character you used could also collect gear for the other ones you used. In D2 they removed that future among many other things that made D1 what it was that gave that sense of value. I will not start any character over in D2 because what Bungie has done to this game. I don't even really want to level up any other character, only my Titan.
This trade-off they have been doing with the cores has ruined me wanting to level all 3 as I did every DLC that came out in D1. It's just not worth the time doing all that grinding and have nothing to show for it.
Edit: For every single one of you gamers that say, "but they added more ways to acquire them"?
Every single one of you guys that say this shows me and everyone else how you literally do not see since the cores have been part of the infusion that it's been nothing but a trade-off every time they change something. So even if they add more ways to acquire them the cost for other things go up that it's been minimal at best adding more ways to acquire cores.
You also don't even see this that gamers ignore...
[spoiler]how long have most of you been playing this game and how many hours do you put into this game each day? See, when the cores were introduced, where was the max power level?
What I'm getting at is, new gamers didn't have the events like Dawning playing Susie homemaker backing cookies to collect all them cores, the power level wasn't one level at a time to infuse items that it was easier to level up. The cost for infusion wasn't as much as it is now nor to masterwork an item among other things I can bring up. Most of the gamers on here don't look at how easy it was to level up back then, then it is now.
So for most of you, knowing you have been playing since cores were added as part of the infusion it has been easy for you to save up cores because you were on top the whole time. Not only that? I can guarantee that most of you don't max out most of your gear and weapons in this game mainly because most of the gear alone is worthless that it's not worth anyone's time to acquire them. Gamers say how easy it is but don't look at 2 major things that I said...
1 you were here the whole time and had it easy from the beginning up until now knowing certain things like dawning were added to the game.
The other?
The cost always goes up with things in this game leaving this game no further than it was the day cores were introduced as part of the infusion.[/spoiler]
[b](A trade-off does not benefit the game at all, and that is a fact.)[/b] It's only saying we are staying at the same level since the day cores were introduced as part of the infusion, and we/Bungie don't plan on actually improving it even though we're creating that illusion that some of you (constantly fall for that we're "improving things") This is not how anything in this game should be handled.
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I dunno... I’ve leveled my Warlock and Hunter to 750 and I’m now doing my Titan. I have over 100 cores still and all my warlock load outs are done, half my hunter load outs too. I’ve also master worked a few new weapons and an entire set of armor. Cores are a pain but easily obtained. I didn’t get 10k cores from the glitch either. They should be for master working not infusion but that’s not changing. Just purchasing 2 from spider a day and picking up the bounties from banshee on 1 toon will give you 31 a week besides what you get from dismantling garbage. So it’s realistic to pick up 40 without really grinding at all. There’s also an easy farm method that does work well. This game has never been friendly to a player that had a couple of hours a week to put in. I’m not happy they made the clan level 3 cores part of vendor bounties. They should come with mod components with your weekly clan drop.
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Sure, this works for you, but how long have you been playing this game and how many hours do you put into this game each day? See, when the cores were introduced, where was the max power level? What I'm getting at is, new gamers didn't have the events like Dawning playing Susie homemaker backing cookies to collect all them cores, the power level wasn't one level at a time to infuse items that it was easier to level up. The cost for infusion wasn't as much as it is now nor to masterwork an item among other things I can bring up. Most of the gamers on here don't look at how easy it was to level up back then, then it is now. So for you knowing you have been playing since cores were added as part of the infusion it has been easy for you to save up cores because you were on top the whole time. Not only that? I can guarantee that you don't max out most of your gear and weapons in this game mainly because most of the gear alone is worthless that it's not worth anyone's time to acquire them. Gamers say how easy it is but don't look at 2 major things that I said... 1 you were here the whole time and had it easy from the beginning up until now. The other? The cost always goes up with things in this game leaving this game no further than it was the day cores were introduced as part of the infusion.
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Изменено (The Hermit IX): 6/23/2019 3:16:19 PMI play regularly and I do understand it’s a pain for casual players. Like I said cores should be for master working not infusion but that’s not going to change. I’m also anti nerf and we both know their habit of nerfing things into the ground isn’t going to change after years of doing it. My point is players have to learn to adapt to the economy if they want to get further into the game. I love the game even with its faults so I’ll play regularly. Master working weapons is a key component to making the game a better experience so players should absolutely get a better understanding of obtaining cores. As far as leveling players should watch videos about it. There is no need to infuse every power drop you get. Using direct infusion, power drops of old exotics and pushing prime engrams is the way to level. I do infuse most gear that I use on all 3 toons. I do it in stages and swap things back and forth until each toons main load outs are done. This where black armory is brilliant. I can get 2 powerful drops for weapons on each toon and an armor piece each week plus rare power bounties. 3-5 every week for direct infusion. I do dreaming city as well and now we have menagerie to get power drops for direct infusion. It’s more about a calculated process to save cores for master working.
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Track how much time each step of this takes,and how much time total you spend on it
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Изменено (The Hermit IX): 6/23/2019 5:18:48 PMLook I get what you’re saying but they aren’t changing the economy so instead I’m pointing out easier ways to get them. What My point is that there are efficient ways to get them. Banshee weekly bounties are easily done while doing strikes, Gambit and crucible for powerful gear while you’re leveling. The 3 daily bounties are done super fast by adjusting your load out to the weapon type while doing anything. It literally takes 5 minutes to do them and that can be done during anything you want to do in the game. Buying 2 from spider a day is load in and load out time. You can add 30-40 a week as a casual without extra time put in outside what you’re already doing. If you play more on all 3 toons you’re looking at 100 a week. Cores should only be for master working but they aren’t changing that. That isn’t enough for me to stop playing the game. I understand if it is for you though. There is also a farm method I’ve used many times that not only yield cores but weapon components too. I mean at one point you need to play any game to get to higher level things.
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.. no you failed to see my point. I didnt care about the cores, I care about time. A game, should not be a job, and players should be able to dedicate time to multiple games without feeling a hitch. WoW Raiders can basically get every piece of gear ever, and only play a couple nights a week, maybe. How much time, do you spend, on new content, new interactions, vs, repetitive content, and repetitive actions.
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Изменено (The Hermit IX): 6/23/2019 5:26:29 PMYawn. Good luck with that bro. Playing a game isn’t anything close to a chore. Just agree to disagree and there are plenty of other games to play.
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Good luck with what, i asked you to try and quantify your time. If you are unable to do so that is your problem, and an indication of a much larger one.
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Изменено (The Hermit IX): 6/23/2019 6:55:07 PMYou need to go back and read my posts again chief. You can do the bounties while doing anything in the game you choose to do. There isn’t inflation involved. Unless playing strikes, Gambit or crucible are chores too. Spend less time typing and little more reading and you’d cut back the chore of posting the same drivel over and over. BTW I’m actually doing a chore. I’m cutting my lawn atm and I would much prefer to be doing core bounties while running a NF. Not the same at all.
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That's literally not how bounties work. Unless the bounty is " get n*kills" you have to travel to areas, complete specific actions, which are never guaranteed to stack onto existing bounties or quest lines, and will often derail you to travel out of areas just to go trade in one bounty for another , notably, Forge bounties. Since this games inception, the addition of more bounties HAS and CONTINUES to require [b]more [/b]time from players. I have zero faith and zero reason to believe the new system for grinding gear is going to somehow be MORE efficient with players time. Even the Menagere isn't designed to use players time well. The only saving grace for some is a glitch that lets them use their cup multiple times before the strike times out.
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Изменено (The Hermit IX): 6/24/2019 3:12:42 AMThat’s exactly what they are. Fusion rifle kills, solar kills, precision kills at flash point. Do you actually play the game? At this point your argument is absurd. These are things you do in any activity in the game. Kill things. They aren’t many kills either. I know I play a lot more than you do but come on. Picking up bounties that are simple kill tally while you play couldn’t be any easier. Like I said I achieved 9 in 30 minutes doing basic strikes for powerful gear. I also got mods and typical stuff. It takes 17 cores to infuse a load out. That’s weapons, armor and an exotic weapon and armor piece. If you did the 30 minutes you’d have gear and the cores to infuse and mid components to buy mods. You’re being silly at this point.
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I see youre still stuck on just gunsmith bounties. Good luck with that.
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Stuck? How so? You’re not very good with reading comprehension, are you? That’s ok Stewie watch everyone else level up while you post here over and over in hopes bungie reads it and stops the core economy. Isn’t that a chore too lol?
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[quote]Yawn. Good luck with that bro. Playing a game isn’t anything close to a chore.[/quote] This is not true at all, making things have less of a path to a goal each update is a chore. Games are not supposed to be just about grinding wasting a gamers time with little or no reward at all. This is supposed to be a form of loot and shoot and it's far from having the actual loot.
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That would also be a problem. A looter shooter with limited loot, so you make everything even moderately worth while having an insanely long slog to get to.
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[quote]That would also be a problem. A looter shooter with limited loot, so you make everything even moderately worth while having an insanely long slog to get to.[/quote] Yeah, and gamers leave games like this because of the lack of loot to chase and find the grind for what loot it is boring. It's not a good way to handle a game like this.
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Изменено (The Hermit IX): 6/23/2019 6:05:26 PMYou’re both arguing semantics. I’ve stated multiple times I don’t think they should be part of infusion. They should be for master working weapons and armor. If you look at my toons I have all my weapons master worked for multiple load outs and have armor done as well. I grind for things and I don’t mind doing it. That’s why I have the rolls I have. They make a difference to me so I grind them. I have close to 800 forge clears and to me it’s worth it for the weapons I have. Not everyone’s cup of tea and I get that. Arguing something the developer won’t change Isn’t changing it. Look no further than the constant nerfing they do. I detest it but that will never change the fact that they will continue to do it. While it’s part of the economy players need to maximize they’re time spent. I’ve pointed out multiple ways you can obtain then without adding inflated play time. Honestly many players would whine when seeing another player with 30 master worked weapons because they felt it’s a chore to do it. More you play the better stuff you get in this game. I choose to continue to play because I love the shooting mechanics and many of the activities. Isn’t posting constantly over the same drivel a chore then too? I think some just like to -blam!- about things. I don’t view the grind for gaining master worked weapons and armor a chore. Playing a game isn’t the same as me going out to cut and weed whack my property. I’m going out to do that chore now but would much prefer to playing the game instead lol.
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800 forge clears... as in 800 WEAPONS FORGED or just, hopping into forge to grind xp? Because one of those is like 50 hours, the other is about 400 hours, Neither of those is a reasonable amount of time spent on the same repeated content.
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Okay, that explains everything. For me, I can't even really get in the forge but will run it here soon for tiny bit.
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Изменено (The Hermit IX): 6/23/2019 11:33:23 PMJust went on a little bit ago... grabbed 3 banshee master work core bounties. Set my load out to complete them and loaded into the daily vanguard powerful gear strike. 10 minutes to do the strike and I got a set of robes at 750, 3 master work cores, mod components and completed strike bounties for Tuesday reset for powerful gear bounty for menagerie. So 3 toons, 30 minutes, 9 cores and 3 pieces of powerful gear. Not so bad for 30 minutes plus the 750 Darci that dropped and the glimmer, shards and gunsmith materials after dismantling the garbage. I think you need to learn the best way to multi task with game play time and you’ll realize that even though it shouldn’t be part of infusion, it’s not that hard to get them while doing anything in the game . Also you asked about black armory frames. I’ve done hundreds and hundreds of frames but have the most perfect God rolls of every weapon for all 3 toons, rolls I wanted for specific activities and most importantly armor sets for load outs. Black Armory gives a minimum of 3 pieces of powerful gear per toon each week. That’s direct infusion with no cores. You can get armor pieces every completion of a frame in the forges. I also usually get one or two rare bounties a week for powerful gear. Yep more armor and weapons that are powerful for direct infusion and no need for cores. I do this with dreaming city armor and weapons and now menagerie. This is how I drive toons to 750 while master working new weapons and armor. It’s the smartest way to play seeing you control what you’re grinding for and is direct infusion. Try playing that way and you’ll find yourself with tons of cores and leveled without playing 20 hours a week with amazing weapons and armor that’s rolled to enhance your weapon and super load outs.
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You've already expressed you spend exponentially more time on this game than most players can. I don't think you understand how that basically makes any argument you have as to the ease of holding onto cores null. Most people do not have 3 LVL 750 characters now, most don't even have 1 Level 750, so they are going to waste cores holding onto their ONLY VIABLE GEAR. We know for a fact most players will hold onto any useful gear or builds they can because its a necessity to even keep their grind going. Bungie said that themselves, and its not due to grind inefficiency. Its a lack of TIME. They WILL use cores to keep that gear relevant. Yes, once you get to a cap, you are free to use cores for whatever, and you already have a collection of gear worth keeping, but you also expressly use a metric ton more of your time even doing that. And the logic behind cores is faulty anyway. If the game already has random rolls, the only thing people need to be doing is grinding Rolls, but the loot pool is shallower than a street puddle. The only thing its overflowing with is same build weapons and skins. And again, its not JUST cores, its ALL the bounties. They DO take more total time from players, they've become different enough to require people to spread out to different areas more often. You don't get gambit bounties in a strike do you? The more split bounty types there are and the more they nerf the viability of gear while keeping the pool so shallow, repeatedly handing people two tokens anda blue, the less any of it is worth to the players time.
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Lol what or how I choose to play has no bearing on anything to do with cores at all. Look at the forge weapons on my warlock. Not just the general roll but the entire roll. Worth its weight in gold to me in the game. I’ve pointed out several times, you can attain enough cores in less than one week, by playing one toon to get powerful gear, to infuse a complete load out. That’s while earning your powerful gear. Good stuff though! You’re absolutely giving me a chuckle or two along the way 😊
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[quote].. no you failed to see my point. I didnt care about the cores, I care about time. A game, should not be a job, and players should be able to dedicate time to multiple games without feeling a hitch. WoW Raiders can basically get every piece of gear ever, and only play a couple nights a week, maybe. How much time, do you spend, on new content, new interactions, vs, repetitive content, and repetitive actions.[/quote] Agree
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Overall? Bungie is literally the problem with this entire game.
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I think they have issues with sticking with one direction and when things aren’t broken they have a habit of tinkering and creating problems. With that said it’s still by far one of the most enjoyable games I play. The new season is a success with an activity made for 6 players. I think it should be the ground work of how they create and bring new raids to the game for solo players. Doing it in stages so solo players get the feel for it. I’ve read many times you say the loot pools need to be increased and I agree with that as well. Although I think many players miss the boat with Black Armory. Weapons and armor are fantastic and some of the best in the game. New weapons and armor tied to menagerie are really good as well. They dropped the ball with drops in Prime and Reckoning. Great weapons but way too difficult to get drops let alone solid rolls.
