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5/26/2019 11:58:38 AM
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It's unfortunate that much of the most vocal of the Destiny community only wants to focus on what's not there as opposed to what we've gotten for our money. Sure, I'd love to see vendors with more armor, a few more crucible maps, and factions make a big return, etc. but I recognize that bashing what could be shouldn't be a way of ignoring what is. For $30 we've gotten 2 raids (as to be released CoS and SotP), lore drops and story (especially from Joker's Wild), 4 decent horde modes (Black Armory), 1 really excellent horde mode (Reckoning), a new form of Gambit with multiple new maps, a bunch of exotics (old and new), a few decently fleshed out events, and more to come in season 7 (including some mysterious 6 man match made activity). All of this content combined is easily, in my opinion, worth the $30 I had to shell out for it. I'll happily hand over another $30 for next season pass too.
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Folks like you are who they're banking on. It's not that Destiny 2 is a bad game. It's not, it's a good game. The problem is it could be a GREAT game an absolutely amazing game, but Bungie continue to ignore the players and force us into things we don't want and don't want to do while simultaneously shooting themselves in the foot every chance they get.
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So true. There are things they could do to make the game way better. For me that would be trials. However for 30$ it’s a bargain. People are so tight.
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Изменено (TheShadow-cali): 5/27/2019 3:10:51 PMIt's not about the money, it's about quantity vs quality when creating content. Being tight as you tried to use it literally has nothing to do with it at all and it's actually kind of foolish to even say knowing most have bought (everything Bungie sold already.) Bungie or any gaming company can put a price tag on their game of $100 instead of the norm $60. If that quality content isn't there which it literally wasn't when the base game released that caused Bungie to lose 80% of their player base the first couple months? Most are going to look at it as a waste of money as they did that 14 million gamers drooped the base game, the price of the base game dropped 3 times in the first couple months and later because the profits weren't doing well at all, they sold the base game with the first 2 expansion half off a little later down the line, that's because of the [b](quality of content)[/b] in the base game and CoO that was a huge flop and that is straight out fact. So when gamers say some are being "tight"? they as you are absolutely incorrect.
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I kinda get your point. I agree it can be more quality with some changes. The game isn’t anywhere as good as it could be. However it’s still a top notch game for a good price and many people I say are tight are actually just tight and actually complaining about 30$ for this season pass that’s great value.
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It’s because we didn’t get anything. We’re not making this up. I’ve praised the creators of dreaming city. It’s beautifully done, but that’s all we really got. Add to that the worst drop rates I’ve ever seen, titles based on that same rng, the media insult to anyone not the best and brightest of BA, every forge unlockable per character, nerfing whisper, nerfing Luna’s, the latest nerfs and top it all off with cores in infusion? I’m not sure what you see that outweighs even this, let alone Odin’s list.
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Изменено (Docyx13): 5/26/2019 8:28:58 PMBut that's my point, you're talking about what we don't have and ignoring what we do. You literally say it in your post 'we didn't get anything'. Because we haven't got the changes you want doesn't mean we haven't gotten anything. You must see the lack of logic in that. There's a huge difference in getting your kids Christmas presents that they didn't ask for and your kids waking up to a tree with nothing under it.
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Actually, there is no difference between getting nothing and getting something you don’t want, especially if what you got isn’t worth anything to anyone else. It’s even worse if you paid for it. I think I came across unfairly. I see what you’re saying. There are things included in the annual pass. None of it warrants me remaining silent about what’s wrong with it.
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Not to say I'm a game developer, because I'm definitely not, but the comments about how Bungie is 'lazy' or 'low effort' kind of irks me. Just because the content isn't exactly what you want specifically doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all. I think this whole behind a keyboard on the Internet thing really dehumanizes this whole thing. Luke Smith, Dmg, Cozmo. These are actual people who work countless hours to get you content that they believe will draw you into a universe that they're passionate about. If the people developing the Destiny universe really weren't passionate about this thing, it would currently be an Activision property. I guess what I'm trying to say more than anything is, can't we quit being so rude to eachother and to the hardworking people who developed a game that brought us all together in the first place and be thankful for what we've got now and supportive of what the future of this franchise may hold?
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[quote]Luke Smith, Dmg, Cozmo. These are actual people who work countless hours to get you content that they believe will draw you into a universe that they're passionate about[/quote] I’m not sure that’s true. And I’m not being a hater or bashing Bungie. But I say that in all honesty because the community has talked for over a year about certain issues that are widely held and loudly voiced that are significant issues in the game (for the sake of yet another argument, let’s not talk about cores). If hardworking people truly wanted to draw you in to a universe they are passionate about, when an entire community rises up and says “these are the glaring problems with your game that hinder my enjoyment and may (and has) cause me to leave your game,” those are the FIRST things you address. Instead you nerf things nobody’s unhappy about, you introduce new mechanics nobody cares about, you make sandbox changes that while nice don’t impact anybody’s day to day planning, you release brand new “pay to access” content on the regular, and generally ignore the community (unless you have a YouTube or twitch channel). These are not the actions of somebody who truly wants to bring people into a world they are passionate about. If your passionate about something, your audience’s passion is your top priority: period. End of story. Not your vision or your preference for how things should be done.
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[quote]It's unfortunate that much of the most vocal of the Destiny community only wants to focus on what's not there as opposed to what we've gotten for our money.[/quote] Do you own a house or car? Once you’ve owned them, ask your builder or dealer to install a kick ass entertainment set up, then to remove the kitchen or seats. Get back to me afterwords and tell me what you think about that glitzy new shit that isn’t all that valuable when you’ve lost functionality that you had to begin with.
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I don’t get the analogy. What did Bungie take away? (apart from Trials, which was garbage anyways and might come back in a better form).
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Factions, choice in PvP game modes, Y1 gear, etc. that’s with 3 seconds of thought. If I took more time, I can find you more.
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Factions, for what its worth, were a tiny garbage event (i’ll concede that we lost acces to the faction loot pool, although the catalysts are reportedly returning). Year 1 armor... uhhh, AFAIK its all still here (all of it accesible via collections) apart from some Eververse stuff. PVP choice. That was never in the game in the first place was it? (But you’re going to argue it was in D1, well thats another game). I’m not being facetious here. These are just a few very minor things in the big scheme of D2. A more correct analogy would be that you bought the house, and the developer every once in a while takes a roof tile away (faction rally), but sometimes adds a nice kitchentop (outbreak prime, whisper).
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I’m discussing the franchise on the whole. If we’re talking about D2 alone, Y1 gear is useless. Unobtainable catalysts, no factions, no trials, etc. D2 is a considerably worse game than D1 ever was.
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[quote]I’m discussing the franchise on the whole. If we’re talking about D2 alone, Y1 gear is useless. Unobtainable catalysts, no factions, no trials, etc.[/quote] I’m sorry, but again your logic does not make sense. All the D1 content (apart from live events, fair enough) is still there. Unobtainable catalysts: which ones? The faction rally ones are coming back with SoO. Year one gear: useless, yes. But that’s an MMO thing. Did Bungie ‘take away’ green and blue gear? Because that’s useless as well.. [quote]D2 is a considerably worse game than D1 ever was.[/quote] I disagree. If you take off the Nostalgia glasses then D2 is the far better game. IMHO ofcourse.
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You’re not too quick on the uptake, I see. Must be why you think D2 is better than D1 was. We’re looking at comparing what we had previously in these games to what is available today. It’s sad this really needs to be spelled out this specifically, but then I shouldn’t be surprised, considering people keep playing this shit show.
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Изменено (PH-VAP): 5/26/2019 7:50:12 PM[quote]You’re not too quick on the uptake, I see. Must be why you think D2 is better than D1 was.[/quote] No need to get rude buddy. [quote]We’re looking at comparing what we had previously in these games to what is available today. It’s sad this really needs to be spelled out this specifically, but then I shouldn’t be surprised, considering people keep playing this shit show.[/quote] [i]We[/i] weren’t doing that. You put down an analogy that completely missed the mark, claiming that Bungie takes entire chunks out of the game, yet all you come up with is: factions and armor that is still in game. So I called BS on that. And then you felt the need to insult me. [quote] but then I shouldn’t be surprised, considering people keep playing this shit show.[/quote] Yet you spent 750 hours on this [i]”shit show”[/i] XD
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D2 is a more complete game. I agree too. But people like to throw insults around if you don't agree with the angry masses. Thanks for having a reasonable attitude here and viewing stuff more objectively.
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Thanks man. It does irk me that people talk about a ‘trash’ or ‘garbage’ game when they litterally had 100’s (even 1000’s) of hours of entertainment out of a game. Destiny is a flawed franchise, but a bloody good flawed franchise. I can’t name a game that gave me that many hours of fun and achievement, and I’ve been gaming since the late 80’s.
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Yes I did, though much of it was playing with friends because they refuse to buy any other game. I even defended it on several occasions, when Bungie was promising to improve the game and communicate. Now, they’re going the opposite direction. Little to no communication, no respect for our time investment, and no clear path forward.
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This is the problem. Most people who like destiny would of paid more as long as it was quality content. With each new season they force to play old content for quest steps. Not new original stuff, old stale stuff. No playlist has seen any love after forsaken. Gambit got new mode but narrows down the content scope a lot. Not everyone plays Gambit. Every season you lose more and more of your player base due to boredom or fustration. Even the people who love the game soon won't be able to match make activities. Look at black armory forges starting with less then the required people. I came back a couple weeks ago and the quest step for the drifter was do a tier 1 reckoning. Took 20 minutes to match one. Played a lot of d1. Sorry d2 didn't measure up.
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Изменено (PH-VAP): 5/26/2019 6:32:17 PMAll IMO The issue is [i]not[/i] that Bungie doesnt want to make a new story/planet/raid/strikes/maps etc every month. The issue is (again IMHO) that they havent got the resources to do it. They run a clunky old engine (hopefully replaced for D3), and the studio isnt big enough manpowerwise. (Especially since they no longer have acces to Vicarious V and High Moon studios). My guess is another season pass next year.
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I agree they probably don't but if I knew this as a studio I would not of scrapped everything from d1 and created d2 . I would of built on an already flurishing world and put d2 on top of it. That way the foundation is already there.
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I think in hindsight that would’ve been the better decision. My guess is that Activision (or maybe even Bungie HQ themselves) decided a ‘fresh new title’ would draw more new players to the franchise.
