[quote]All of you arguing in favor of this busted ass infusion system are simply and obviously arguing in favor of other players having less than you do - not because they don't play enough, but because YOU play WAY TOO MUCH... You've all said a hundred times, 'it's not hard, I have 1.6 million cores, it's not a problem for me.' Jump to 'wastedondestiny.com' to find out you've sunk 36k hours into D2 since Forsaken dropped... Shocking... You don't like this system because it makes you more careful or gives you 'impactful choices'. If you did, then you could handicap YOURSELF instead of insisting that a game company force you to. If you actually preferred being limited to 17 cores/week, you could easily make that happen yourself by deleting your surplus. So, that's CLEARLY not what you like about the system. You like it because 'fsck casuals.' By supporting this ridiculous design choice, you tell brand new players they're not welcome here because they don't play the game enough. Because the proven reaction to this broken system by new players is to quit playing and go buy a game that isn't a full-time job... I know most of you who would proudly yell 'fsck casuals' will be happy to agree that that's why you like this infusion system. My problem is that until now, Bungie tended to ignore assholes like you in favor of their average player. You know, the one that is saving up to buy the Division 2 and leave for good... Removing cores from infusion affects you in literally ZERO ways. For some reason, you're the jerk who prefers that the office stay at 85+ degrees. At least you could put on a jacket and be comfortable. But no, fsck casuals...[/quote] If your excuse for it is it makes your more careful with sh!t, you’re being arrogant. This isn’t how it should be at all, think about how often high light levels wanna just simply infuse to keep the armor and weapons they like more just because they get more powerful gear, it literally happens so much that it’s not at all worth making infusion require enhancement cores and planetary materials. It just burns people.

I am mostly fine with them and I barely have enough to infuse right now. 3 days a week, 100ish cores now (that I have used) over a month, give or take one or two weeks since I came back. Not difficult. Not stressful. Not broken. I am in no rush and just want to enjoy the game for what its worth. 90% of the game is easy mode and apparently if you have multiple coil users - raids are easy mode too that that just leaves the last 5% being master works and even that isn't that hard on cores. I just dont even bother using cores on my hunter or titan until I have to. Alls I do with my alts is put some of my duplicate weapons of my high 680+ stuff on them and then spam out armor from collections to increase my power then go and do stuff. Dont even need to infuse dont even need to do drifters power bounties to get past 640.... Focus on one character first get them there and THEN do other things. One at a time, without trying to running around like you're late for your own wedding or something. - Brother Vance gear spam by buying seeds from spider: Result? Multiple cores - Profit - Vanguard token gear spam - Shaxx Crucible token gear spam. - Spider bounties and direct purchase with legendary shards (two a day for 30 shards if you just log on just to buy them - the most low effort way to acquire cores seemlessly...) - Rather regular drops of scrapper bounties (hasn't been a point where I haven't really ever not had one in my inventory after completing another due to dismantling (maybe thats just good luck who knows). Im a "filthy casual" as some would say and yet....I am doing just fine, on my way to 690 from 685. Your premise is flawed and your presumption, arrogant as hell. Kids these days have no patience what so ever.

Hate these people... "For some reason, you're the jerk who prefers that the office stay at 85+ degrees."

Is this where I get the Thorn? I found the salt mines here but nothing happened. Am I doing it wrong?

[quote]1. I like the system and have found a way to be successful within the confines of the rules of the game.[/quote] The fact that you like the system doesn't help me understand [b][i]why [/i][/b]you like it - from my perspective, forcing players to be more careful about their infusion decisions adds no value to the player. The fact that you can be successful in an environment that adds no value is nice, but not relevant. [quote]3. It is very hard to accept that players will refuse to play to be successful given the knowledge of how to do so. Then complain about not the system but lack of materials they have, when the answer is available.[/quote] It shouldn't be hard to accept the fact that people will struggle and rail against something they find frustrating, even if they're doing it exactly correctly. For example, Anthem had an aiming bug that required you to aim to the side of a target in order to hit it. The fact that I understand how it works, and can technically work around this frustrating reality in no way means I should be happy about it, or not complain about it... In other words, 'the available answer' you refer to, sucks. [quote]4. The forum makes a small % of the community, Bungie sees it from other perspectives.[/quote] Sure, but it's all we have to judge. And Bungie has done a shit job of demonstrating that it's not a majority concern. Addressing it in a TWAB certainly doesn't help that case... [quote]You are making a massive generalization about the whole *F casuals* argument. What is considered casual in your opinion? under 400 hours perhaps?[/quote] You're conflating my argument. I didn't say casuals want this change or that it should be made to accommodate them. I said no-lifers like the system because they see it as a middle finger to those they believe to be casuals. So, the sentiment of 'F- casuals' was a way to demonstrate that vitriol. I am not a casual, nor or many many other people who hate this infusion system. I truly believe the majority of players who like this system are no-lifers and that they like the system because it's a middle finger to dirty casuals. [quote]You may not care about Titles but there a players that do, you may not agree with cores but others do,[/quote] Of course there are. My argument is that they are vastly outnumbered by those who don't. [quote]and you may not care about time invested into Destiny but Bungie does.[/quote] First, I never said I didn't care about time invested into Destiny (that's disingenuous and you know it). I care that bringing my gear up to speed takes 10 times longer than it used to, and having to waste masterwork cores on simple infusion that I'd otherwise be using to masterwork gear is the literal opposite of respecting my time investment to the game. It's a slap in the face.

[quote]Wanna do it? Great! Don't make us do it too. [/quote] The man sees my point. lol

^^^^^^THIS.

Look, I've explained twice now, once at length, and once in summary, of why I believe removing Enhancement Cores isn't a good idea. In my perspective, infusion is something that I don't need until I'm max level or very rarely up until that point. I patiently wait for that "god roll" item before I invest cores into it, unless I have a surplus of them. This is how I believe BUNGIE sees the system to work best. I could be wrong of course, but it lends to my belief that they haven't changed it, despite a very vocal minority of players who think it needs to change. I don't believe they're intended for Little Bobby to keep his entire gear set relevant all the way from 650 to 700. You're supposed to put new gear on as it drops. On the other hand, some people are using Enhancement Cores to bring an item from 652 to 653 or 654, which is a complete and utter waste. I also think this type of person is where most of the complaints are originating from due to my experience in debating this topic with several other individuals. I think catering to people who want shortcuts for problems that they create themselves devalues the game, which I explained and provided reasons why I feel that way, and why it would harm games as a whole to cater to people who can barely play them. I can reference similar issues from other games where the developer caved, and both they and the players realized in short time how bad of an idea it was. Bottom line, I don't feel like they're a problem. It's not to be malicious. It's not because I want to grind. It's not because I want some other guy to suffer. It's because I genuinely feel like they aren't an issue. When I need Cores, I know instant ways to quickly obtain 5-6 of them if I'm running low. If you disagree that's fine, we're never all going to agree that the game is perfect.

[quote]You're saying a new player can have just as much fun as I USED to have just by using the random shit the game gives you. I don't even know how to respond to that...[/quote] You don't know how to respond to it because I never said it. [quote]And you are STILL missing the point. There is NO value added by this decision.[/quote] It creates scarcity, which creates value. If we could all just have maxed out gear all the time with everything, then there's nothing more to work toward, there's no sense of accomplishment for time spent after gear drops. Cores add an additional goal for players to work toward. You don't like that. That's fine. But pretending that you don't understand that other people enjoy grinding for a goal is dishonest and you know that. Just be honest and say you don't like what other people like. And then you should probably find another game, because games like Destiny are inherently about grinding, so it's rather entitled for someone to want developers to significantly change what their game is about because you don't want to put in a few hours a week for marginal improvements to your character.

It’s tempting to infuse sh*t because you get sick and tired getting killed with no kills just because you have high level herdy derp weapons.