1. Bump, because this is an issue. a. Sticky with an answer because this question is not going to stop. If it is not sticky'd then keep bumping this, voice your story here! b. Poll to let Bungie know 2. Bungie we love you, we love your game, but you are idiots. Customer Service means going above and beyond. You did that to a point to where many honest players who have looked forward to your game and simply want to have a fun time with their friends and their clan, can't. Without a reasonable explanation as to why. Those good and honest people are the reason why you have the money to make Destiny 2 in the first place. Thank you for bringing it to PC and being very strict and caring of the community so that they have the great Destiny feel in their mouse and keyboard, without the worry of cheating. Thank you for bringing it to the community who uses programs in the background to enhance their visual experience. Those who spend thousands on 4k monitors with 144-180Hz refresh rates and graphics cards that can keep up. Thank you for bringing it to those who care about their gaming experience and don't play casually. 3. So the questions I have seen have been: a. Why? b. What did I do wrong? c. What can I do? 4. The answer has been: a. Silence b. https://www.bungie.net/en/Help/Article/46101 c. Bungie has updated their original blog post admitting that other players were indeed banned by mistake, walking back their original statement to some degree. They write: "As part of our ban review process, we have identified a group of players who were banned in error. Those players have been unbanned. The bans were not related to the third-party applications listed above. We will continue to review the process we use to ensure a fun and fair game." d. More bans(and all seemingly at the same time right before Xur? I mean that is a weekend that other players now possibly have an advantage of if these players get their accounts back for being wronged.) 5. Back to you being idiots. As a company you look pretty bad in the eyes of many right now and even before I was banned I was super paranoid about making sure I didn't get banned. Turned off all in game overlays, didn't even think of streaming it because of the risk. The only think I seemed to have used was Battle.Net for chatting with friends and a second monitor to use a bungie companion to transfer equipment quickly. I stop playing for 1 weekend for work and I come back banned for being paranoid as you are. a. You are killing your PC player base. Think of 400 users banned with only 100 of them being cheating scum of the earth. Thats $40,000 spent on the game if they got the deluxe edition. Not so much to a big company like bungie. Now Destiny 3 comes out, you think that your player base will maintain. In reality it dropped 300 good users because the relationship with the company has suffered. My raid group is only 6 people now its down to 5 and we can't have the full experience of the game and we are now all mad at bungie. So we don't play as much and eventually lose interest. 300 good players banned can mean 1,500 good players angry at a company that we want to love and respect. It can be a snowball effect once it gets pushed far enough. b.Articles like these spread across the web, [url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/10/25/destiny-2-pc-players-claim-widespread-bans-bogus-but-bungie-disagrees/#6b0bd0b341f5[/url] c. How the heck are we supposed to know right off the bat that something like MSI afterburner would have an effect on destiny? No where in the program does it say that it is going to effect software in any way. Personally I like my GPU running nice and cool so I have my fan levels set higher than default. There shouldn't be any problem with that. If there is then don't put it in the fine print. Make one of your information boards in game say hey look here are something that conflict with this game and may impact your experience. What if you share the computer with other people and they have installed Razer Cortex to automatically start when you launch a game and you have no idea that it is there. I have OBS running capturing another screen. At times TeamViewer runs in the background which is known to have many incompatibilities with games and is a spawn of a wessel error, but at times needed for remote access, in which many companies use for accessing their clients. d. If I have an incompatible program on my computer does Destiny look at my process list to see what all I have running? I multitask while I play and use programs that could effect Destiny but I don't use them on destiny because that would be wrong. I have my own projects and security I have to think about. I have hardware that can handle doing many things at the same time, like playing other games between loading screens. What if you plug Cheat Engine into Google Chrome is Destiny going to flag that you even have the program running as a violation even though it has no direct interaction to the game? 6. Those who don't forgive people who are imperfect and make mistakes, or don't give them an opportunity to learn to not repeat their mistakes. We call those Dictators, Monopolizers, Haughty, and Hypocrites. Why hypocrites? Because if you were in our shoes you would probably understand why you were so strict but you would be just as angry and just as frustrated and upset as we are and your reaction is, "too bad, so sad." Atari was a great company once and made one bad game, one bad move and everything went to a landfill. We love you. Please don't turn into garbage because it doesn't matter how great the game is or how bad the game is, the support we receive makes the experience worthwhile. That is why companies like EA take in so much support data and why Blizzard has made 11+ Fantastic games that people still play even though they are reaching 20 years old. They listened. EDIT: after browsing the forms a little more some clarification may be in order. 7.A memory scanner would impact the performance on destiny in a bad way for you. it would slow it down, and not give you any real advantage over the game because everything is done server side other than your physical movements. What they are trying to prevent is things that interact with the game and give you advantages like aim hacks and movement speed hacks that would clearly give you an advantage that you shouldn't have. The fact that it has the ability to inject is enough for bungie to push a ban which is wrong. Especially for developers who may be looking at how to prevent hacks by hacking their own programs and understanding how they work in order to combat them. If you are taking courses in school for cyber security then you may be using such programs in a white hat manner. They shouldn't ban you for having the program. That's like them saying you can't play our game because you play CoD, or your skin is blue and you talk funny. The second that the program makes the INJECTION into DESTINY 2 then you have violated that. BUT Bungie apparently will ban you for having it run AT ALL. run ***.exe = ban. Oh my goodness Bungie have you heard of viruses even? To memory scan so that they get your personal information and hack your life. On top of that you ban their account because they got hacked. Some people out there must be having a really bad day. 8. It is said that every single ban is carefully examined. We all know how a day at work goes. Its really easy to get into a routine of what is right and what is wrong then at the end of the day knowing your work load will be easier if you just clicked that ban button because the program flagged it as so. Its one person so it shouldn't effect you too much right? If you think that you are greater than this, than us, that you don't need to change. Then we have already lost you. Change is the only way to grow. That is how EA pulled away from its rut, that is how Blizzard takes care of itself 9. We are ready to forgive you, if you give us the opportunity by forgiving us for the crime against you that we did not know we committed or in the case of many others, that we did not commit. - Your PC Players Have something to add or something that I should remove? Leave a comment. (note: replying and commenting does not give the same notifications keep it alive and keep commenting!) Our communities thoughts: [url]http://prntscr.com/h7276k[/url] [url]http://prntscr.com/h728xz[/url] [quote]No one writes anything this long that doesn't care.[/quote] This guys article was interesting it may have some merit if it is an IP ban. If so then its a really serious issue. 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