[quote]You can't really reference the D1 grimoire because the consensus amongst the lore community is that Bungie is trying to just forget the grimoire ever existed and retcon it as they go. [/quote] Where is this consensus? Anyone who honestly looked for more than a few minutes would know that isn't true. If Bungie truly meant for D1 grimoire to be retconned, they would issue new lore referring back to it in D2. It would simply be gone. Yet Bungie referenced D1 grimoire a ton in D2. Now Bungie removed the D1 grimoire and changed lore delivery in D2 (terrible imo), but that doesn't mean that the events or the lore of D1 doesn't exist or isn't still canon. And canon doesn't have to mean the lore on any subject is going to continue. The sum total of the lore maybe in D1, never to appear again, but is still part of the destiny universe and lore. Exo stranger is a perfect example. By bungies own admission, her story is over. But D2 does mention her in game. Bungie acknowledges her existence in the destiny universe even now, while simultaneously admitting they aren't going to add any more story to her. So there is isn't any point speculating what she might do next, because the answer is nothing. However, what she did in D1 is still canon. Here is just a short list from memory of all the D1 grimoire that I have seen in D2 in game either through ghost scan or lore tab: Oryx, Crota, Savathun, worm gods, Osiris, Pahanin, wei Ning, Eriana-3, Dredgen Yor, Shin Malphur, Asher Mir, Sloane, Nessus, Io, Exodus, SIVA, Eris Morn, rasputin, takanome rangers, Twilight Gap, Skolas, Atheon, Kabr, six fronts, Efrideet, saint-14.... I can source those all if you'd like from D2. But all that Bungie specifically mentioned in D2. If Bungie wanted to retcon all of D1, they wouldn't mention any of that. But they mentioned it on purpose, carried it forward into D2, and it still exists. Good example. Here is some D2 lore: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/erianas-vengeance?highlight=Pahanin+ That is all D1 characters and grimoire references. Even the opening cinematic is a tribute for D1 players acknowledging all we did in D1. D1 is still canon. The events and characters are canon. Some of the events and characters will forever stay in D1, and have no bearing on future lore, but are still part of destiny.

Sorry I didn’t mean to offend with my last comment, but I am glad to see your arguments actually have reason Bungie is definitely screwing up with trying to change a lot of what they built Destiny to be in D1, but that doesn’t mean we can toss all that to the side since they have to stick as close to it as possible. Unfortunately Bungie really was extremely lazy on the Saladin and Tyra writing, so I really have no way to keep up that part of the discussion except to say again that we can’t just toss it all away because of a lack of specific dialogue I guess you’re right about the Stranger, although with all of the FWC references to her in D2 at least Bungie isn’t just letting her slip into a forgotten pile of lore. Glad Luke Smith isn’t in charge of writing Maybe the wound was too severe for Cayde’s Ghost to heal; they’re really weak without Light after all. But you’re definitely right about inconsistencies like that in Destiny, so in all honestly they probably only had it like that just for the comedic purposes