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Изменено (A Spooky Reaper):
11/23/2016 10:21:59 PM
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If you want to abolish the electoral college...
You are literally a moron. There have been three protests on my campus alone, all of which were painfully pointless and stupid.
Let me break it down:
The electoral college gives each state a certain amount of electoral votes, on the basis of allowing every state to have a say in the elected president and officials. Without the EC, it would be up to the popular vote, which would mean New York, California, Florida, and Texas would elect the president every four years.
Let me put it another way for the liberals out there. If everything in this country was majority rule, or "mob rule", say goodbye to rights for minorities, LGBT community, and anyone who doesn't have a mainstream opinion. That is the reason the US is not a true democracy, because that would be terrible.
The electoral college is one of the greatest ideas put forth by our founders. If you want it to be abolished, you are giving the country up to four states.
Edit: I'm not saying the EC is flawless, but it is a hell of a lot better than just majority rule. Unless you can think of a better system, the EC is here to stay.
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I'll keep it because I can't wait till the electors change their vote. And yes there have already been 3 electors who have publicly said they would consider changing their vote
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Electoral votes were initially made so that the stupid people of the people that voted couldn't -blam!- things up.
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1 ответWe should just do away with parties all together, have all candidates run as an independent with some money from the government to start with. All candidates can run for office. Also Have voting day be a national holiday, so then more people can turn up because they don't have work.
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40 отв.Изменено (Onion Beetle Fan): 11/23/2016 9:53:38 PMIf we picked the president based on popular vote, then Americwot would always have a democratic president because there are more democrats than republicans based on voter data for 53 years, perhaps even more! This is why popular votes aren't ethical. The fact is, the president is the president of ALL of the states and not just ONE, which is why Ameri-blam!-s have an electoral college. This way Americats get the president that the majority of STATES want rather than just a majority of PEOPLE. If the president was only going to be the president of 16 states, then sure, lets go by the majority of popular votes, but there are more than 16 states and the people living in those other states wanted a republican president, so that is what Amerirats are getting. Edit: Sorry for any english.
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1 ответ[quote]Without the EC, it would be up to the popular vote, which would mean New York, California, Florida, and Texas would elect the president every four years. . [/quote] Literally those states already have the most electoral votes and give the president a great lead. Looking at the results you will see states with percentages such as 47% to 46.2% of the state voting for that candidate. In a "winner take all" state that means, the losing candidate's voters choice doesn't matter. That can often times be a million votes who don't matter due to "winner take all" So that really doesn't help your argument any.
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4 отв.Изменено (Britton): 11/23/2016 7:40:36 PMNew York 22 electoral votes 4.1 mil votes Clinton 2.6 mil votes Trump California 55 electoral votes 7.2 mil votes Clinton 3.8 mil votes Trump Texas 38 electoral votes 4.6 mil votes Trump 3.8 mil votes Clinton Florida 29 electoral votes 4.6 mil votes Trump 4.4 mil votes Clinton Those states combined hold 144 electoral votes or 53% of the needed 270 to win. Those states votes add up to 19.5 mil votes for Clinton, and 15.6 mil votes Trump. Of the approximately 62.5 mil votes needed for the majority popular vote this election, these 4 states contributed 31% of that in the case of Clinton, and 24% of that in the case of Trump. If those states votes unanimously then, and only then would those votes add up 55% of the needed vote which means they would have more influence than they do under the electoral college, but that never happens. States almost never vote unanimously, especially the high population ones. So based on the [b][u]data[/u][/b] the electoral college actually gives those states much more influence in the election than a popular vote would. Maybe research the points you're making before you make them.
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It needs to be reworked
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1 ответThe libs lost the game, now they want to change the rules. Pffft...pussies.
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The electoral college shouldn't exist, it's a few states that decide the election anyway. I'd rather my vote actually matter instead of what the fuсk ever the rest of my state thinks. [spoiler]I don't care about Trump winning, but the electoral college is shit. [/spoiler]
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Even if electoral college was abolished, the popular vote would require a recount, because the results would be very different if there was no electoral college. For example, people who are republicans living in strong democratic states may not vote because they know their vote wouldn't make a difference. But if there was no electoral college, those kinds of people would vote because they know their one vote can make a difference.
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8 отв.The electoral college suppresses other people vote when the other vote is favored. In other words, it's not a true democracy because otherwise people don't have say. Taking out electoral college will help make this nation an actual democracy, your vote counts and should not be silenced. IDIOT
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As soon as the gop win a popular vote and lose the EC the rules will change...
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2 отв.The electoral college was designed to take America from a true democracy to a democratic republic. To escape the tyranny of America's first terrorists. The British.
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9 отв.1. Election day should be a federal holiday 2. Allow people to vote online 3. Voting should be mandatory and an option would read, "i decline to vote"
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But, but, muh popular vote!!!
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40 отв.I just don't think we should have "winner takes all" states. Texas will always go red, California and New York will always go blue. Everybody who votes otherwise in those states are pretty much -blam!-ed.
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16 отв.I feel like the electoral vote discourages people from voting. Why would a republican vote in California if it's going to the democrats anyway? Why would a democrat vote in Texas if it's most likely going to the republicans? Why should a Californian vote matter less than a vote from Wyoming? Idk I see more bad than good coming from it. Not to say that there isn't any good coming from it.
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12 отв.You don't think that the country should be governed of the people, [b]by the people,[/b] and for the people?
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1 ответLiberals. Trump won. Get over it. Stop believing what the media says about him
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2 отв.Yup. Thanks for making this post. Some people just don't understand this.
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7 отв.Another point...the democrats don't care when they win the electoral college but not the popular vote, but when it's the other way around they whine like a pussi...
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I want to abolish the word 'Germany.' It never existed, so it really doesn't seem right to mention or acknowledge it.
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3 отв.Your let me put it another way is a straw man argument it has nothing to do with electoral voting and is a bad metaphor. The electoral college is still a majority because trump won a majority (over half of the electoral colleges). So you could literally say the exact same argument against yourself. They are different political systems that are based in democracy and when it is essentially a two party system it will always result in a majority.
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It could be fixed keep in mind I'm 13 and although I know more about politics then most people my age. Any the electoral votes should be proportional to the popular vote, so if trump won 60% of Kentucky for instance he would win 60% of the electoral vote, I feel this would be a better system. Would this work tell me why Im interested in politics and stuff like that
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7 отв.They only want to eliminate it because Clinton lost
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Millennials are literally the dumbest people I know. I'm ashamed to be one, man we are dumb.
