So I've been a hunter since y1 I have played every subclass and mastered them. I currently main a golden gun because of how much fun it is. I do however use blade once in a while. I no longer use Nightstalker in crucible I use that class strictly for pve to make orbs. The Nightstalker class is broken right now. It is the second best class in the game apart from sunsingers. It needs some balancing. I will describe in detail what is broken about it, how to fix it and why I no longer play Nightstalker in crucible.
[b][u]Why is Nightstalker broken?[/u][/b]
The thing that is broken or "op" as many of you may be more familiar with is the shadestep and the smoke.
Shadestep is beyond broken especially if you are playing someone who sweats or is actually good with the class. You may run into the causal player who uses it and does bad with it. Those who can actually use it (regardless of scuff controller) can not only annoy but use the maneuver to get away with a lot of things they shouldn't. That ability to spam shadestep and dodge any grenade is broken. Every class has a grenade that should be effective to other guardians no exception. Also while in shadestep you usually don't take damage and confuse the shit out of everyone around you. The ability to be immune is horrible and you can spam it 2 times in a row without a cool down. Also after shadestep you can almost immediately jump or shoot your weapon and this can be a pain in the rear, especially if you were really trying to kill the person and they suddenly pop up out of no where and turn on you. It takes no skill.
Smoke is broken the range of that melee is beyond any grenade in the hunters arsenal. It's funny that smoke is a melee too it should honesty rather be a grenade. It can attach to you and do damage then after it does damage over time and blinds you. And if the person is shadesteping around you while u are in smoke, you can begin to tap the respawn button because you will die. The range in smoke is too far also, there has been many instances where I am out of the smoke yer somehow still in it. It is ridiculous how far the smoke extends. Also it should it should not deal that much damage to you. It's pretty much a super/grenade you can regenerate every 29 seconds.
[b][u]Ideas on how to fix them[/u][/b]
I will start off by saying buff the super cause tether is garbage in the crucible but I won't go into detal
To balance shadestep It is simple add a longer cool down after every shadestep. That way you can't spam it and you actually have to time it right. It is not a jump like blink u shouldn't be allowed to use it 2 times per cool down. Also remove the immunity from grenades. A grenade should deal damage to you no matter what whether it be an arcbolt or an axion. Also maybe add some frames after the shadestep that way people can't jump or shoot right after just like you did to blink.
To balance smoke it is also simple remove the damage over time from it and shorten the area of effect. The smoke will still deal impact if you are stuck with it and maybe buff the damage a bit but after it should not do DOT. It don't mind if I'm blind in it or w.e..
[u][b]Why I don't play Nightstalker in the crucible [/b][/u]
Apart from everyone wanting to use that crutch class in a "sweaty" (only 1 subclass per teammate allowed) it is not fun. When I played shade I literally got massive amounts of hate mail during pubs. I had never gotten so much rage. When I played shade I thought I was one of the best players in my friends list. I though I was unstoppable. Then I switched to a different subclass and I didn't do so hot. I did good just not amazing. Then I began to see how much of a broken piece of shit Nightstalker really was. After every shadestep and wombo I no longer felt satisfied and actual felt like a chump. So I decided to quit that class and never some back just like I did with sunsinger.
Feel free to comment below. If you need a trials carry/help/just want to play crucible feel free to add me.
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1 ответИзменено (PsykoBeasty): 5/10/2016 1:06:38 AMHow about you just stop crying for nerfs. All you PvP whiners are literally killing PvE. Almost every NERF in the game has resulted from PvP complaints. Soon, you'll have me going to kill oryx with a gun that makes the kvostov look like a Y1 gjallarhorn. I'll be needing to tether a dreg just so my teammate can kill it by using all 4 golden gun shots. So just stop. Give up already. Just play the game for fun... So what if you aren't destroying opposition every game. Lose a match? Cry for a nerf...great logic.
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If they do this to Shade Step, they better do it to Twilight Garrison too. (only able to use it once every 3 seconds)
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2 отв.Can you balance butter on your nose for 60 seconds ?
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You take damage I shade step. I've taken damage at the beginning, middle and end of the animation. It's not invulnerable mode.
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Изменено (BxK_Str8shot): 5/9/2016 3:33:20 PMHow about nah, everything's fine as is.
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1 ответMake shade step have a cool down for 5 seconds. Keep smoke wall combo due it taking 2 abilities
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2 отв.Take away smoke from the melee and make it a grenade charge Buff smoke damage over time (test it out to see how fast it should be) Replace melee charge with double knife Melee twice as fast with double knifes. (Melees looks like ballistic knifes from cod.) Make it two hit kill normal targets but if they have a lot of armor make it three shot. [spoiler]that's just my idea..[/spoiler]
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How dare the evade evade my attack. So broken please nerf
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This post is pure unsaturated shite. Only thing that needs to be "fixed" is the smoke grenades. Envenomed shouldn't stun. Invisible smoke perk thingy needs to last longer. The trap should stun but do less damage. Once you're out of the smoke you should also be able to move around again.
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I agree with you that smoke is one of the most annoying things in the crucible right now. But it's the blinding that's so annoying. It's like a get out of jail free card. I've had countless times where I have a Nightstalker beat in a gunfight and so he uses the smoke. Now I can't see at all. Literally your whole screen is black. So I don't know what I'm shooting at and it holds me there so he gets a free kill. I don't think it should be able to pretty much hold you in one spot, blind you, and do damage to you. Either make it not hold you there or make it not blind you and it would balance it a little.
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12 отв.Touch nightstalker and I'll go to Sunsinger. Regardless, you will be complaining nerf. Why don't we buff subclasses instead?
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If they nerf the Hunter again, I'm going back to playing a Warlock. I've already started working on my Warlock's gear just in case.
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Shadestep isn't broken, you can still do damage to them while they're shadestepping. The only issue with shadestep is grenade procs (which is an actual issue that I'd prefer not be fixed in the event of firebolt grenades).
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1 ответif they nerf nightstaker, then i will probably play bladedancer. Having the ability to blink to avoid stuff is much better than a shadestep that stays on the ground. Even voidwalker with its blink would be more appetizing than a nerfed nightstalker.
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1 ответBased on your logic I think shoulder charge should be nerfed, if a Titan is running at you just press the respawn button since you will be dead. Twilight garrison is too op as well Warlock nova bomb is retarded [spoiler]But honestly the grenades on nightstalker are AIDS, the smoke is the only good thing besides shadestep[/spoiler]
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5 отв.Your post has been compromised due to unacceptable levels of salt and Bull$h!t. If you truly mastered the Hunter class, or any class for that matter, you'd accept the strengths and weaknesses of each class. You especially would NOT call for Nerfs. A true pro would shut up and overcome their challenges instead of calling for Nerfs to improve their problems. Go ahead and compare your k/d with mine, because with my mindset, at least I'll have more potential to get better.
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1 ответWould people please stop saying "it takes no skill". If it took no skill, everyone would be doing it. I personally suck at PvP....if I shadestepped, I'd probably evade one way, get smashed by a few bullets....evade the other way, get stuck on a piece of environment and then get sniped. Everything in this game requires skill.... Without skill, your crucible record would look like mine. As for the smoke, every class has that melee that is considered op when played against.... Titans shoulder charge Warlocks flame shield/ drain life w/ram equipped.... (Probably more but too early in the morning). Every class has positives that make them seem op. But if you think using them requires no skill, you are just plain deluded.
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3 отв.Only thing I dislike is that axion stop tracking after somebody shadesteps. This is kinda bullshit
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It's not even close to being broken.
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Wombo combo is too strong imo. Nothing wrong with shade step or the super.
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1 ответPersonally I think that Nightstalker is fine. I main a Titan, but also play my Hunter and Warlock often. I don't often play Nightstalker myself because its playstyle revolves around indirectly fighting enemies and I much prefer being more direct via Gunslinger or more especially Bladedancer. However, I am glad to see that there are those who really enjoy all of the indirect combat abilities of the Nightstalker. I do think it is a really good and balanced Subclass, just not my favorite.
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5 отв.And this is what cancer looks like.
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7 отв.So, every class. Literally every class is OP or broken or something. Or are they all just powerful each in their own way? To be used and taken advantage of on the battlefield? Fist of panic shouldn't kill everyone in the room. Nova bomb has too much range and radius. Blade dancer shouldn't track people. Sunsinger's viking grenades are cheap. Golden gun has too much range and kills supers. Titan bubbles are spammed by whole teams. Sol hammers hurt my feelings. Palpatine kills too fast. I can't see when someone smoke bombs me. Blink strike is too quick. Shoulder charge kills me before I can shoot. Seriously aren't they supposed to be powers for a reason? Can we not just man the -blam!- up and respawn? Get that dude's number and hunt him down. I've slid under countless smoke grenades and shotgun blasted jaws apart. I've dueled revivetards in midair. I've blink striked titan bubbles. And yeah, I've gotten my ass kicked a lot. I've grit my teeth a lot over Fist of Panic and wombo. Then I went and tripmined someone's eyesocket. An evasive maneuver shouldn't be quick and evasive and confusing? I suppose shotguns shouldn't do so much damage up close either huh? So what if someone is really good at using shadestep. Find a tactic that works. Who cares if that guy stuck a grenade to my face? Go find his ass and make even. I think the damn classes should be OP. Every single one. The point of the hammer is that you move your ass and get out of dodge before he lodges it in your throat. The point of the powers is an edge other than gunplay. I've spent enough years on FPS just mindlessly shooting. Time to pit my smoke against that viking funeral against his blink against her nova bomb and see who comes out crying. Screw fair. Let's kill the shit out of each other. Let's see who overcomes and who can't adapt.
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2 отв.Изменено (HyperVigiIant): 5/5/2016 5:53:52 AMIncrease the range and accuracy of handcannons! Some handcannons will obviously need less of an increase than others.
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3 отв.You win some, you lose some. I'm not dying ever life to nightstalker abilities, and I'm frequently killing nightstalkers, I have no complaints.
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1 ответEasy, either shadstep or invisibility, but no both. ...and, tether stops on hunter's dead.