I ignore all that "pay to win" "BS" I am a true gamer I don't buy my "lives" I earn my lives. As a gamer I ignore all that and just enjoy the game for what it is a "Game". Destiny is a great game and I have been playing a long time... If you have to pay then good for you, you have spent real world dollars on things that does nothing for you in reality. Just grind and get the gear for free, in all honesty it's not that hard of a game. Remember to just have fun. See you in the game.

Are you implying that you don't earn the gear that you use as infusion fodder? Doesn't sound like pay to win.

[quote]You can now buy as much armor as you want until you get the perfect stat/perk roll[/quote] People still don't have the perks they want on their armor?

I call you a moron because you think everyone has the same amount of time available to put into a game that they enjoy. Some people only have a few hours a week they can put into the game, yet some extra money that they decide to put into the game to get some gear someone takes for granted as a rng (random, this not earned) drop that took twenty hours or more to get.

Since when have stats mattered in destiny?

They drop from the treasure at LL 3 you silly child

The armor from those packages don't have perks, they get the perks and stats from the armor you use to infuse it. So it's not pay to win, it's more like "pay to look a little different faster than everyone else who is going to look a little different from playing the game." [spoiler]Sounds like cosmetics? Right?? [/spoiler]

Until they sell specific guns or armor that has a higher light level than anyone else can earn for FREE, shut up. Seriously just shut up. These threads pile up every time they announce something for sale with eververse and guess what. It's never allowed anyone to "pay to win", nor has it ever negatively effected any players game experience for not purchasing. Just shut up with the constant bitching.

I can see what you are saying because I've literally spent months trying to get perfect sets for everything. I want tier 5 INT and DIS for minimum timers on super and nades. I also want to have variations in that gear, for example different ammo types on boots and reload types on gauntlets. So instead of me having to endlessly farm marks to buy engrams for on the Cryptarch I can now pay 50-60 bucks and get all that stuff done in 5 minutes. I'm not sure if I like it or love it or hate it.

PlayStation gets gear that I don't have so is playing on PS pay to win? I get where you are coming from and know this can be the start of something awful but I don't think it's a big deal. More of a waste of money honestly.

The cosmetic armor doesn't have stats on it though

They start with 0/0/0 stat roll.

[quote]Stop it Bungie. You are slowly ruining this game. First Emotes which are ok, but now -blam!-ing armor! I don't care if they are 3 defense that is straight pay to play! Edit: While I'm grinding for gear others are just buying it! That's why it's messed up! Also even though it is level 3 it has a 1:1 infusion ratio so it is as powerful as your best gear. Edit: Do you people not understand that Bungie is just turning this game into a cash grab system of MicroTransactions? Gear no matter what level should not be able to be bought if it makes a difference to your character's ability to play the game. Edit: This situation is nothing like sparrows as sparrows make no statistical difference to your character unlike gear. Edit: If Bungie didn't ease us into their MicroTransactions scam in Y2 with sparrows I know this shit wouldn't have flown in Y1 [spoiler][quote]Just wait till they slide guns into Eververse. You can't just introduce pay-to-win. You have to slide it in discretely in phases, slowly. Phase 1 was emotes. Some people got pissed, saw the plan that was about to be unfolded, and called them out instantly. Then time passes, everyone gets used to it and eventually accepts it. Phase 2 was the SRL log book. This gave people extra quests that you had to buy the book to complete (glitch aside). Now you are giving people extra content for paying a few bucks. Again, some people saw it and called Bungie out. And again, time passes and it becomes accepted by the masses after awhile. Phase 3. Where we are now. Add in armor pieces to the cash store that start off at low levels. People scream, people cry, people call them out. But time will pass, and it will slowly and successfully be implemented and accepted. Phase 4. Add guns. Of course, put them at light level 1 for all we care, so they have to be leveled up or whatever. So it's not "technically" pay to win, but it is. They are doing it, and doing it in a clever way. Spoon feeding the community garbage, very slowly. And people are eating it up, slowly. Congrats to Bungie's PR / Marketing team, they are very good at what they do. They set out to milk all of you for every possible cent, and they are doing it.[/quote][/spoiler] [spoiler][quote]I agree... Next they'll be selling weapons from Eververse but claiming its not pay to win, because you still have to infuse another weapon into it, and all of the Desticles will take to the forums to defend them... Newsflash... Free to play / pay to win type games ALWAYS give you an in game path to progress / get gear / etc... That's how they hook you into spending money by making progress / drop rates extremely low... This is NOT a free to play game, so they shouldn't be selling armor via microtransactions...[/quote][/spoiler] This cannot go unpunished. Bungie needs to know its community will not be pushed around like this. I feel bad to those who agree with Bungie's decision as you don't know the outcome of their decision.[/quote]

I didn't see a price for them

That gear didn't have stats on it. It only had perks. If you want to waste a piece of gear with good stats on a piece with no stats, go for it.

The armour doesn't come with stats. It inherits them from the piece you dismantle for infusion. If you want to spend $ so your gun reloads .04 seconds quicker, that's your business, but it gives you no advantage over non paying players. There is precisely 0 in game advantage to buying these armour pieces, until such time as there is, or being able to buy game time, it's not pay to win. A slot machine, sure (which is arguably worse) but not pay to win.

If the armor perks were a make or break scenario, I would agree with you. Considering that having extra machine gun ammo on boots doesn't matter much, I don't see your point. I've done every hard raid besides kings fall in full iron banner gear in the past, and kings fall in all blue. Not to mention the 260 light version of prison is gonna be pretty easy, as will be the crucible playlist, so sterling is easy to get. I doubt raid requirements are going to become "must have rain blows on gauntlets or don't bother", so either you are trolling, or you just need something to whine about. Also just to clarify, I am pretty sure they said that whatever stats of the armor you infuse into it is what it ends up. It's purely cosmetic, but if you infuse a 320 piece of gear that has hand cannon loader, then that 3 light armor will be a 320 piece with hand cannon loader. It's cosmetic, as the stats of the armor you replace it with does not change, just the look of the armor does. If "he looks better than my raid gear character" is pay to win, then you don't know what that word means.