Bladedancers were the bane of the crucible in fall of 2014. Invisible, damage reduction, fast, and instant killing. Till people figured out Felwinter's Lie and Fist of Panic. People found the counter. Most of the time it was a powerful shotgun with 1 or 2 shots would stop a bladedancer.
Bladerdancers and Sunbreakers are the same thing. You are just seeing more sunbreakers because they are new. There are plenty of counters to the Sunbreaker. Its just going to be a while before people settle on the best.
1. Hammer of Sol is broadcasts itself clearly- consider running. That titan is going to be aggressive, out run them or hide and then ambush them when it wears off.
2. Nova Bomb or Fist of Havoc-Yeah, they will just get killed out right with these cancelling supers
3. Shadowshot- Silence them, this turns off all supers
4. Rockets are the answer to everything.
5. SNIPERS- If shotguns are the answer to the bladedancer snipers are the answer to a HoS. Hammers fall quick and are only useful up to medium range. If you are killed at long range by a hammer... they got lucky or you didn't move.
6. Good old group fire.
All these tactics except snipers will work well on a Sunbreaker, just switch sniper with shotgun and they work well on Bladedancers too.
EDIT: Bladedancers were barely touched in the year they have been out. and when the most significant nerf happened it wasn't to the class or the super it was to a jump ability that is used by 2 classes. Bladedancers still have a great super for PVP and just like Sunbreakers are average in end game PVE. The damage reduction of the bladedancer is more than enough that if you don't have a high impact shotgun, super, or heavy, they are going to kill you. Guess what 3 things also take out a sunbreaker? in a super?
EDIT 2: Note there is legendary armor that boosts defense even more when using a solar sub class. If a Titan (who already has the most armor in the game) stacked Solar Sub-Class armor + Highest Defense Rating + Armor Buff when using HoS (which is a % of total armor). YES a Titan can become a super tank. That doesn't mean its broken it means that player has a better build than yours.
EDIT 3: [url]http://xboxclips.com/GHOST+9o5/b6f770f4-fe93-4f9a-8e94-23c5e342e9f1[/url]- High Impact snipers require 1 Crit+ extra to drop a SunBreaker in super. However Sunsingers regularly take a shotgun to the face and live [url]https://youtu.be/bq_mPCWeylc[/url]. Also lets not forget that group fire is no match for a blade dancer [url]https://youtu.be/LIFFy-OYOUY[/url]
[u][b]EDIT 4: Sunbreakers can barely survive a single Golden Gun Shot[/b][/u] [url]https://youtu.be/7-lVT6W9eSA?t=7m[/url] Time to Buff GG in PVP. HOWEVER we do not know what armor this Sunbreaker is wearing. There is armor that buffs solar sub classes and/or reduces solar damage.
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Remember when hunters bitched about every little thing... Oh wait, they still do.
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Still think the best course of action would be make sun breaker first-person and change NOTHING else. Like you have a near full 360 degree view while in sun breaker and all you have to do is look at an enemy and press RT. This way you actually gotta look for targets, look at the targets and aim at the targets. Would compensate for the pretty ridiculous armor buff.
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By your logic sunbreakers need to be nerfed because you're comparing its power to pre nerf bladedancers.
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Anyone remember when we were joking about the third warlock subclass being a half nova bomb half radiance super. Looks like the Sunbreakers beat them to it...
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Изменено (JReyno): 9/28/2015 8:55:40 PMAll of these tactics are even more effective against Arc Blade, because Arc Blade MUST approach you and put itself in danger for a kill. Hammer of Sol, on the other hand, has even more damage reduction than Arc Blade in addition to the ability to OHKO people from range... in an AoE. You don't get the option to utilize cover if you want to kill with Arc Blade. Did I mention that Hammer can heal on kill or generate an overshield to boot? That's not to mention that Arc Blade has never been able to survive a Golden Gun shot.
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I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE THINK SUNBREAKER IS BALANCED [spoiler]-blam!-ing scrubs who don't understand crucible[/spoiler]
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You can get killed mid animation when using FoH or Nova Bomb. All it takes is one hammer
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1. True, but this isn't exactly countering the super. 2. Again true, but do you want to waste your super on that? 3. Same as above, but I get shadowshot more. Makes sense. 4. Sunbreakers can eat rockets. Yep. 5. Only snipers like the 1000 yard stare can kill a sunbreaker. LDR type snipers can't. And since there are only a few snipers of the 1000 yard stare archetype, this is a little unbalanced. 6. True, but not before they kill 3 of your teammates. Bladedancers were touched. A couple months after launch, their armor was tuned down. It used to be similar to that of Hammer of Sol. Conclusion: [spoiler]op is fgt[/spoiler]
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Guns don't counter a sun breaker only heavy and supers do
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You missed out the bit where Bladedancers got nerfed.... more than once.
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Excellent points and I've pretty much been a victim to every one of them!
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To much logic here. The board can't handle it.
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Bladedancers are the easiest super to kill IMO
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Running rearly works, I can never kill my friend in rumble with my hammer because he can dodge all the hammers by running away and running in and out of buildings, under bridges etc.
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When the hammer guy is close to you hide and when He is about to see you Jump over him and try to stay in air. It's hard for em to Hit you in the air
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BD were op even after the fake nerf
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They can survive a direct hit from a golden gun and a rocket. That's definitely not the answer. Snipers can't even take some of them out.
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So I take it you'll be fine uploading vids showing all these glorious consistent ways to shut down HoS? Players like myself will need it for trials.
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Except that hammer of sol gives shield, range and impact, as well as high manoeuvrability.
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Good players had no issue with blade dancers Everyone has issues with hammer of sol
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I use Black spindle in pvp, and murder every sunbreaker. AMA
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It's been the most hilarious last few weeks on the forums. Hunters in defense of their supers would always rally together and be all like just shoot, lololol, just like shoot us, you're just bad, get gud. Lololol Now, Titans have a similar super and Hunters complain like giant bitches. So, my advice? Just shoot them.
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4th Horseman shuts down a BD pretty fast!!
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Изменено (Mr JJ Rogers): 9/28/2015 6:55:20 PMI sniped a Sunbreaker in the head the other day, didn't die...found out he had a chest piece that makes my element unefective against him!!! Guess that means, time for farming!!!!
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Nope was never op