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Изменено (II Smiggles II):
9/17/2015 1:27:09 PM
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The Education System Is Flawed but How can We Fix it?
It’s been proven not only by regular ordinary people all over the world, but also seasoned scientists that we, as humans, desire to learn. We crave to absorb new discoveries, ideas, and experiences. We are, by nature, consumers.
We also know that school is less than a pleasant experience. You’re forced to learn things you don’t always care about. The largest argument for this by educational directors and funding is that you will never know what a child will grow up to be and what knowledge they’ll need. It’s better and safer to give them a starter pack of a little bit of everything.
However this is reliant on the idea that those who are not legal adults are not mature and developed enough to have the foresight for their future. Despite that, they are given minimal teachings on what actually goes on outside the protective bubbles of schools and the life it comes with at that time.
While it certainly is a good idea, in concept, to teach budding young adults a sprinkle of the basics it’s come to our attention, through decades of learning, that you don’t have to force anyone to be taught. Humans are fascinatingly malleable creatures. Not only by those around them but by their own hand. You can teach yourself, and likely have, topics you’ve never even heard of before by the smallest clipping of a clue to what it is. That is, if it interests you.
We’re conditioned to believe we need a teacher. That we, by any means, have to be fed carefully in order to understand the mental tools we require to learn from more advanced teachers. Children and young adults are given far less credit than they deserve when it comes to what their minds can do.
[b]Do you believe if you were allowed to learn instead of forced you would enjoy school more?
Do you believe there are ways to improve and make the education system more beneficial? How would you change it? [/b]
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1.) Remove Common Core 2.) Remove anti-sexist-yet-are-misandrist programmes 3.) Remove scholarships for being black/female and make them based on merit again 4.) Tax the stock exchange 1% and pay for everyone's college for the first 4yrs Done
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3 отв.An equine sex education program in every school would be the first place to start. Sex with horses would: -Allow students to exercise and blow off pent up steam, helping them behave and focus in other classes even while improving health -Allow students to explore their own bodies and become more confident, in turn reducing bullying and other social problems common in schools -Give students a chance to learn about empathy and caring for others, because making sure the horse has a good time is part of the task at hand -Allow students to apply their theoretical knowledge from biology/health class in real life -Make the school experience enjoyable, so students will have the energy and enthusiasm to learn, explore, and create
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Изменено (ANGRY ASIAN 500): 9/19/2015 12:32:15 AMLess tolerance of idiocy, don't teach creationism, don't say Christopher Columbus discovered America, and allow kids to stick up for themselves if they're being bullied, for a start. To creationists, yes evolution isn't perfect but most of your arguments are just failed attempts at disproving it rather than submitting your own theory. Not every wrong answer is equally wrong, 2+2 isn't 3.9 but it's a lot closer than 6,015
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Have a system where grades are based on a person's mental capability rather than how much time they put into learning X facts or methods.
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Well definitely not let scott -blam!-tard walker become president, I'd say thats step one
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I think we should go back to the apprenticeship system. Have people learn practical work skills that will be immediately useful in the job market, give them to chance to meet people in the profession so they have a network in place, reduce the financial burden of education.
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3 отв.The system is flawed because people are only label successful if they pass. Most people who pass, cheat. People cheat because grades matter more than the knowledge itself. In order to fix the school system, you'll need to make a system that bases success on knowledge as opposed to a letter grade that proves your obedience.
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4 отв.Cut out the fluff and add courses to prepare you for life as an adult.
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Изменено (Fotbitr): 9/17/2015 2:53:56 PMChildren are obliged to education, as they owe it to society to be educated. Society is obliged to provide a relevant education; they owe it to the children. Someone here is dropping the ball. And nobody likes being forced to do things ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), but I think there's a critical misunderstanding on both sides why we do what we do in terms of schooling. I'm not qualified to approach the best way to instill how important this shit is in [i]everybody[/i], but I imagine it starts at home. Smart people are cool. Make kids see that. On a personal note, I'd like it if curriculums were updated to reflect anything in the past 100 years or so (politics aside, keep teaching politics). Thought you, or someone, might enjoy the video. I'm not Murrican but I did spend some time in school there in the 90's, if that counts, lol. Canada works on more or less the same system, but our teachers are compensated better and their union is actually one of, if not the, most powerful union in Canada hahaha. [spoiler]Survival of the fittest works, but surely we're competent enough to outdo it.[/spoiler] [spoiler]I also dropped out of school, to get my equivilency and go straight to college. -blam!- highschool.[/spoiler]
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5 отв.I would support smaller assignments, more regularly, rather than an assignment/exam worth 30% of your grade, make it 10% and have at least one every couple of weeks. Large exams worth high percentages never give a good example of a students performance. Secondly, at the end of 9th grade (about 15 years old), students are sent out to work for a year, actual work. Employers will be subsidised for taking these students on for 3-4 months, students are encouraged to try a variety of careers (say; accountant, plumber and nurse) to get a feel for what they might like to do. finally, students cannot go straight from High School to University, gap years are mandatory with students again encouraged to perform some form of national service (though not penalised for not doing it should they wish to find private employment), this could be Military, Emergency Services, Government Healthcare or Charity work. This would likely create more rounded students with a better grasp of working life, and what it means to study. Finally, i would pay teachers much better, making the career of teaching more lucrative and encourage current teachers to continually develop themselves and perhaps consider returning to university to study a Postgraduate or Masters course (schools would be given funding to pay for these teachers)x I would also move teachers between schools regularly, especially between under-performing and over performing schools to try and ensure negative cultures do not develop.
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I believe that standardized testing should totally be thrown out. It makes teacher pretty much have to teach students absurd amounts of content in less than a year. Seriously, I'd rather get taught 1 thing over the course of 1 week and never forget about it ever again rather than get taught 5 things over the course of 1 week and just memorize them for the test on them, then forget about it all in a month.
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1 ответИзменено (Demigod): 9/17/2015 3:03:28 PMI would recommend doing away with standardized learning and go into specialized learning. Having set courses that teach the basics of certain career paths, as well as general life management skills to prepare kids for the world. For example, if they want to be a mechanic, their course will entail some mid tier mathematics, business practices, and learning about the functions and characteristics of a wide range of vehicles they would be expected to work on. As well as basic things like taxes, budgeting, loans, credit etc. so they can have a good head start in life. I don't feel like going in detail but that's a rough outline.
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Изменено (Britton): 9/17/2015 8:37:26 PMExcellent post. Personally I like the old apprenticeship days. At a reasonable age you began working under a master craftsman, learning every intimate detail of that skill. The more complex the skill, the more you needed to learn. That being said there is basic knowledge everyone should know. Scientific literacy is probably the best term I know of for this. [quote]According to the United States National Center for Education Statistics, "scientific literacy is the knowledge and understanding of scientific concepts and processes required for personal decision making, participation in civic and cultural affairs, and economic productivity".[/quote] So I personally think the education system should be seeking to create scientifically literate people, while allowing them to pursue and experiment with their career interests as well as facilitating the tools and resources necessary for students to do that. I was lucky and pretty much experienced that very thing, and I must say it gave me a fantastic starting point for adult hood.
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Well contrary to popular belief, the United States actually has one of the best education systems in the world at least as far as accessibility goes. Schooling is free and by law there has to be public schools wherever there are kids. That is a far stretch from the UK, Greece, and other parts of Europe as well as Asia where not only does school cost money, but it isn't as widely accessible. Though I do agree that the quality of the learning itself is in need of a serious revision. The problem is with how we measure a student's success. Too much of an emphasis on testing which fosters a spirit of learning just to pass the test then forgetting about it opposed to learning sincerely for the sake of learning *cough* Asian kids/wealthy AP high schools *cough*. I've found that the Socratic method of asking questions and actually trying to engage the classroom in discussion is a much more successful way of learning. I honestly think that as a child, I would have had an easier time in college classes for this precise reason than I had in public school.
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A transition to focus on critical thinking, rather than simply requiring students to memorize content, specifically in the ages just before secondary school, and everything from there on after. Something that's very noticeable in teachers who love their job is their willingness to engage a student in conversation when they question something. A simple "why?" displays a student has understood the informational aspect of a lesson, and wants to understand why it is that way. If there were more students with that mindset, questioning what they learn, reaching their own conclusions with the information at hand, I would say that that education system was successful. I think a major obstacle in any proper education system is the local culture and attitude. If there was more comfort and excitement in school, a greater willingness to learn, then we'd probably make do with what we have now. But nah the media can tell us more about things of minimal importance, we'll just let our youth continue as mindless lemmings.
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I think you've articulated your point incredibly well, and I especially appreciate the fact that you've invited discussion rather than insisting that your word is law. This is a great discussion topic, others should follow this example. Now, in contributing to this subject, I disagree with your overall suggestion. Yes, the education system is flawed, but I don't think that this is why. At fourteen you enter high school, and your course selection becomes much more malleable to your own design. Elementary school has taught you the basics of everything, now it's up to you to decide where you want to shift your focus. I'm going to use myself as an example, a senior student. I've always aspired to be three things: A writer, a video game developer, and a musician. Video game development is what I've planned to make a career of since I began high school and I have the option to prepare myself for that. My classes this year are as follows: Instrumental music, guitar, photography, writer's craft, English, computer science, media arts, and Maths. All these nurture my creative skills, and the technical skills I'll need as a game designer. Because that's what I've chosen. By the time you're able to really consider all aspects of your future, you're able to shape your education accordingly and lose the frills. No, my problem with education is that it requires such focus. In the past few years I've also considered a career in graphic design, but I haven't once reconsidered my aspirations for game design. Rarely does anyone have the time or the [i]money[/i] for two degrees. And western society is shaped so that no one will hire you without a degree in the field. This is what holds us back more than anything. This is blocking us out of our own minds, putting barriers between what we're capable of and what we're allowed to do.
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1 ответToo much testing, not enough learning. I can't remember shit I was tested on a few weeks after the test. There's no time to let the information sink in, it's just a fire hydrant. I think more discussion is crucial. People need to be able to articulate their ideas in a public forum and there's a lot to learn about from other people/perspectives.
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3 отв.Quality post OP. As for the "forced" idea, it's simply not a decision to be made by an immature mind whether or not they want to go to school. It's mandatory to stay in school till 16, and I think that's fine how it is. If we go back to antiquity, when schooling wasn't mandatory and was exclusive to the rich, it was something to be sought after because of the opportunities and credibility it created. However this motivation isn't present anymore because everyone [i]has[/i] to go to school. So it seems like we have a paradox here. What I think is a plausible route to take, is by changing the environment of school. Which is not an easy thing to do, but it's a better plan of action than taking away the requirement of school. There are a couple directions we could take. [u]Later start times:[/u] Studies in education research have shown that the peak time for brain activity starts around 9:00 and fluctuates, however remains generally high, until later in the evening. So why are we having students having to be prepared and in class rooms almost two hours prior to peak brain activity? Odds are those early classes are going to be the easiest forgotten. Also, earlier start times are correlated with lower overall happiness, as a busy student who efficiently does school work and studying, has a dinner, and plays a sport, will not be going to bed until the earliest 10:00. This obviously doesn't happen though, and most students will tend to only get 5-6 hours of sleep compared to the 7-9 hours that is optimal for their brain. All of this snowballs together to create an unpleasant school environment for the beginning hours, which can attribute to a domino effect to achieve an overall unpleasant day. A proposal to fix this would be to start school later on, at a time such as 830 or 9, ending at 3-4, however this creates a problem of some parents being unable to provide transportation, and bus schedules being mixed up. But no issue is every going to be one dimensional. [u]Better Teaching Methods:[/u] It's no surprise when you clump a group of students together and attempt to teach them in the same manner, that some will simply not get it. The human brain varies in how it learns, however I think the biggest improvement is to make sure teachers are teaching through authoritative methods rather than authoritarian methods. In simpler terms, students should be taught the theory on how to conduct their work and understand why their answer was right/wrong, rather than having information shoved down their throats and taught that if they don't have great memorization skills then they are stupid. Personally, I barely passed my history classes in High School because I was constantly tested of dates and names that I couldn't remember rather than causes and effects of events. I passed every writing composition, math, and science class with flying colors however, because those classes focused on teaching you how to find an answer rather than the answer itself. This goes hand in hand with the idea that "doing" something is much more effective in learning that something that writing it down or hearing it is. I also disagree with any system that someone can pass without getting the right answer. I shouldn't be able to pass simply because I tried. That isn't [i]learning anything. [/i]Also, there were no such thing as 0's, you would get 50% credit for [i]not doing anything.[/i] This is horrible, and [i]does nothing to motivate a student to determine correct answers.[/i] Yes, I realize it would have been ever more of a struggle to pass history classes for myself if this system wasn't in place, however because it was I never learned much in these classes. Shit man I wouldn't be able to tell you shit about WWI without looking it up. Although you bet your ass I passed the exam essay on it by using my writing composition skills to reword the prompt and fill in with bullshit. (seriously, I shouldn't have passed) This "babying" further destroys motivation and our ability to use taught information critically. In addition, classes [i]should be separated by ability.[/i] My senior year, they clumped A1 (slower, more attentive classes) with A2 (faster, more challenging for the average student) to make "College Prep," or CP for short. The problem that creates is a teacher is forced to find a happy medium of teaching the kids that need more attention and focus, while challenging the kids who can handle it (because without a challenge, there's no motivating agent in the equation.) They made the system to not discourage the A1 kids into thinking they're stupid. How sensitized can we get, America? This causes the A1 kids to possibly fail and actually think they are stupid with valid reasoning, and the A2 kids to coast on by and have no motivation to actually try in school. There are more directions that I can think of, but those are the two main ones, and this is already a very long post.
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Изменено (Sandtrap): 9/18/2015 11:19:08 PMAs a highschool dropout, I can say that having the ability to study and learn by myself is pleasing. A lot more than school ever was in its later years. But it comes with a price. Self teaching is dependant on the drive of an individual. Honestly, looking at the current school systems in place right now, I don't think they can be improved. You can't improve anything if your foundation is arse. They'd be better off demolishing most of the old structure completely and starting over. So, let's assume that I landed in a position of ability to change things. What would I do? For starters, I don't think that the concept of school is completely flawed. Teachers could and should still be used, but in a different way. One problem with school, is that there's too many kids. Assigning one person to teach a class of 24-36 kids is absurd. Because one teacher can't actively work with the varying levels of intelligence that they're going to encounter with so many kids. The faster learning kids are going to jump ahead of the group while the slower ones lag behind, therefore, slowing the whole group down because the teacher has to focus on them, and not the ones who are all now bored silly waiting for something new to do. Teachers should work on an individual basis, or a very small group basis, of no more than five kids maximum. If you want job oppurtunities in today's world, having more teachers to teach less kids creates that. Second. Almost everybody has a story to tell about how they didn't like school because they were surrounded by kids who made fun of them or beat them up. I've gone through hundreds of people who've all told that same story. So, it's fair to say that school is a poor social environment, isn't it? Kids who are out of the norm are always targeted by other kids. Which does wonders to an individual feeling well about learning when all they can focus on is the fact that every day they're essentially being thrown to a pack of wolves. And, simultaneously, schools take the wrong approach to solving this by essentially trying to shelter everybody. And third. This one's a little more philosophical. Schools do not equip people with the teachings of how to be happy in life. They teach how to function in a society at a bare minimum and their only end goal is a job. They don't allow a mind to flourish and look for what it wants to try. They only direct young kids towards a job. You actually see the biological programming if you look at it. Get up early in the morning, go to school, break time. Go through school, lunch time. Go through school, break time. Go through school, end of day. Almost every job functions like this structure. And fourth. Costs. Once you've been taught, you're given the boot on your ass into the real world to fend for yourself, and given a little push towards another form of school. One that teaches more than your old one and will allow you to potentially find something you like to do. But, there's a problem. There's an enormous paywall in the way. As a young learning, and still growing individual, you're expected to hold a job to pay for your costs, and many kids can't hack it. They go into debt. So, nevermind learning again, because assuming that you manage to reach the end of college or university, nevermind what you've just learned, but now you have a debt to pay off because of it, so you know what you do? You go out and get anoher job. I could talk my butt off for days on this subject. But I'll call it quits here. I know I didn't exactly state what I'd do. Mainly because I haven't considered everything yet. It's big, complex multi faceted problem on multiple fronts. But, obviously it needs to change. And now I think I'll retire from posting here for a long while. I bid everybody here farewell. Thank you for the intriguing thought post Smiggles. Couldn't keep myself from not commenting. Thought posts are my bait, it seems. Ya got me hook line and sinker, ya master fisherman. Couldn't ask for a nicer sendoff. No messy stuff. Just intriguing thoughts. Thank you, most kindly.
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How do you fix a tumor on the brain? Same way we fix school systems[spoiler]remove it[/spoiler]
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2 отв.I have to perfect solution! Stop it all together!
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Ez I am a junior, in college working in a school district and perform duties that work with many teachers 1. Suprise inspections. I used to h8 when teachers knew ahead of time when they were coming. They tell you all to behave or severe punishments later. Had a terrible middle school teacher and a cruel college professor everyone hated.... But when those days come everything is staged and perfect. 2. Reduce funding in main district offices. Seriously the top people use the funds on new desks and comps all the time. Where I work there is a increase of high rankers, a cut of middle type employees (many departments working on skeleton crews), and a lot of student workers. It's like a mini America, a huge gap is there between levels and the hoarding is too much 3. So much equipment goes to waste, ever seen 50+ computers gone to waste just because they were 5 years old? I have. They just leave it outside. That could have saved or made money at the schools. 4. Less tests and more study . Real study and in depth
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Изменено (Autolycus): 9/17/2015 9:56:12 PMThis has some pretty good stuff.
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Изменено (Etheric Peace): 9/17/2015 9:41:33 PMWell, if you are looking at America, it is. IDK about other countries. It would require group effort to change.
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Fix it to make it even with top European countries or fix it to make us feel like we're doing something?
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by letting me take care of it
