I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion on this particular subject. 1. Gjallarhorn was being used in a way counter to its intented design. Thanks to it being too well designed, it was a more effective single target weapon than an AoE weapon like Rocket Launchers were intended to be. As a consequence, it became a crutch as it requires literally no skill to use and exceeds in breaking its own design. Even with Gjallarhorn left behind as a Year 1 Exotic, Titans can now look forward to obtain its disturbing big brother, a hidden exotic rocket launcher with an unknown name. This yet undiscovered rocket launcher plus the new Taikonaut exotic helm will so drastically dwarf what Gjallarhorn was that I am almost sickened. The only balance to it is the fact that it requires 2 exotic slots to execute, so there is that. The nerf of Wolfpack Rounds effectively did nothing to change anything about Gjallarhorn, as a 33% reduction in an attack that hits 10 or so times for 10% of the initial damage basically meant they removed 2 hits of Wolfpack Rounds per rocket. Even with that, Gjallarhorn is still the most powerful Y1 Rocket Launcher and is likely to return for Year 3. 2. Icebreaker encouraged lazy gameplay. I say this as an avid fan and active user of Icebreaker. Why actually have to prove you are skilled at combat engagement when you can snipe enemies from way beyond their perception range with unlimited ammo? Icebreaker is another example of an Exotic Weapon that was too well designed as it encourages players to actively avoid direct engagements. While I feel it is slighter better designed than Gjallarhorn as it required actual sense to use effectively, the fact that it regenerated ammo so quickly meant that no other sniper rifle could compare. The minor change to the recharge timing was intended to help other sniper rifles stay viable by comparison, which it ultimately still failed to do. 3. Black Hammer was overpowered. Yes, I am actually saying that. Landing 3 Precision Hits required only a minor amount of skill, on par with Icebreaker, but unlike Icebreaker which needed to recharge, Black Hammer could continue to rail enemies endless as long as you kept landing precision hits. In PvE, this isn't that hard to pull off if you're willing to invest a small amount of time practicing how to snipe a moving target. When a Legendary Weapon is more potent than an Exotic, there is going to be trouble, and Black Hammer easily rivaled Icebreaker in every way. Pulling Ammo from your reserve instead of magically giving you free ammo pulls it back down to legendary levels. It still dwarfs every other legendary sniper rifle accessible in Year 1. I don't understand people who cry foul over PvE Balance because I have never had an issue with it. It is presented in a way that you have multiple ways of overcoming the challenges it presents you, yet we as a community always choose to cling to the items that insult our ability to overcome challenges. You shouldn't cling to weapons because they're cheap and insult your ability to figure things out. Just because it is in our nature to resist change doesn't mean we should stay in the past. There is plenty to look forward to in Year 2.

Also, in saving a lot of my year one stuff to show i was a year one player. I'm also keeping the generic ghost to remember dinklebot.

So everyone is mad because they're making icebreaker take longer to hold infinite ammo, black hammer to have infinite ammo, and Gally help you grind and kill bosses faster? Sorry if I'm one of few that like these ideas. Sounds like people need to just come up with better strategies that don't involve gong to a corner and shooting a rocket or staying far away at a bonfire with your sniper. This is all my opinion, but let's be adults. Debate on this, not attack or name call. Try to prove this can be a community of some respect.

i agree on the leave pve alone. pvp is the problem with destiny after all.

Those 3 weapons are not very used In pvp. Those nerfs are bungie own ideas. No one asked for them.

You people are the biggest -blam!-ing crybabies g-horn and black needed a nerf and you know it.

The only thing upsetting about all these is the BH nerf. That was the one good thing about the rifle (mulligan is a wasted perk, nothing in mid tier really mattered to be honest, and we all used it for everything). Ice breaker needs it because its abused in pvp in the current meta (no special? No problem! Just use ice breaker!). Ghorn needs it because every boss in this game is tired of the abuse from it (i don't know how many times ive been in a raid/poe where we all willingly waited for heavy synths to pop AND refresh before attempting a kill). Generally if something gets abused, it gets changed (look at all the changes that have happened in WoW due to abuse for example).

If the most op gun in pvp need a nerf then so does pve

Sorry to disagree with pretty much everyone but I agree with all the changes (And yes I do have all the weapons). These weapons were a crutch for a lot of players (Not all but a lot) and promoted camping and hiding from bosses/enemies for the whole encounter which is not how the encounters were intended to be played.

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