On the subject of lag, I just hard wire my PS3 and have seen absolutely no Change to the performance. There is still a delay in the kills, in the spawns, and it still shows I have a bad connection.

Combined arms needs some light arial and armored attack/transport (bucket back) Please more variatey of drivable vehicles so those that enjoy being the "pilot" in various games can enjoy Destiny's PVP more. How about a Cabal version on the Silverback mech from GoW?

regarding point 2..lag in pvp is bc destiny does not have dedicated pvp servers. PVP in this game is a joke bc of this. one of the people playing pvp is made the host..this is why the jerk with horrible lag gets all teh kills (lol he's probably the host) so the lag doesn't affect him..but screws over everyone else). IMO that is the biggest single problem with destiny pvp. until they decide to pony up the money to actually either make pvp servers then pvp is and will continue to be a joke..which is why all the whining about gun balancing in pvp is also crap. many of the people dying so often in pvp are doing so bc of said lack of servers, and also because although pvp is weakend by lack of servers there are those who only play pvp and use the same gun or gun type. If normal players who only occasionally venture into pvp encounter one of these teams or players they will get pwned..whatever these people are using as a weapon..there is a reason for this..its called skill (unless its fusion rifles lol they are admittedly lame). in reality though destiny itself is way less fun since the most recent patch and since the 6 months of having them ignore real issues witht the game for constant and unnecessary gun nerfs in the name of supposed "gun balancing". far as im concerned bungie has nerfed the fun right outta destiny...they still have time to un%^&$% themselves but time is running out fast.... here's hoping they get their sh$%# together soon

They all need better sniper spots with extended boundaries and no sniper scope glints.

[quote]Ive played a decent amount of pvp in this game and needless to say there are some massive issues with the multiplayer. From my personal experience these are the reasons why pvp is just a shitshow for a majority of destiny players. [b]1.)this was sold as a pve game[/b] Enough said. This was marketed as a mostly pve game yet in reality its about half. There are people who simply wont play the multiplayer in this game and never will. [/quote] I agree to a certain extent. However after I'm done running all my weekly PVE errands I enjoy a bit of crucible. [quote][b]2.)lag[/b] I have solid internet connection and never get error codes. Literally never. That being said there is about a 1 second lag after getting a kill or being killed where you or the other player can still get a kill which results in you and other players killing one another repeatedly. How many times a game do you and another player kill one another whether it be melee, snipers, fusion rifles, whatever??? For me the average is about 3-4 times a game with all sorts of weapon types in all honesty. People using lag switches and stuff like that is something ive noticed a lot in destiny pvp as well where somehow the mothe-blam!-er lagging all over the place is getting tons of kills??? [/quote] Lag is definitely an issue all around. I've seen teams completely stop moving while I shove the barrel of my gun in their mouths and fire off a full clip, only for time to catch up with itself and everything goes a million miles a minute and I'll end up dead. [quote][b]3.)supers[/b] They simply need game modes without supers ENTIRELY. The gun play is excellent but at a certain point supers just get really annoying.[/quote] this is what makes Destiny unique. Its the name of the game. It separates Destiny from all the other FPS games out there. Learn to adapt and use your own. Maybe yes, a desperate game mode without supers would be ideal. However that'll make Destiny the same as say Call of Duty then. [/quote] [quote][b]4.)maps[/b] There are certainly some maps that i like, and some definately work for rumble and skirmish but most do not work for teams of 6. They are simply too small, too cramped for the cluster-blam!- supers and op weapons people have. Its like how are people surprised shotguns are the preferred weapons in pvp.... Its cause theyre useful 95% of the time on 80% of the maps... They are literally all cqb..... Bastion, first light and skyshock are the few maps that i can really enjoy anymore simply because they host a variety of different ranges and weapon types actually fit their roles. Tiny maps cause -blam!-ed up spawns as well and im sure many others have noticed how bad the spawning system is in this game on mostly the small maps.... This is made for kids who run in, get killed, and then 5 seconds later they spawn 25 feet away, and is the exact reason why cod is a -blam!-ing joke for any actual pvp players. [/quote] agree completely. [quote][b]5.)rewards[/b] Despite having over a million medal score ive never recieved an exotic/legendary drop in crucible outside of the iron banner (all ive found are their weapons/ship still no exotic) This being said, the rewards in pvp are clearly skewed to the bottom of the team. Ive literally never seen anything legendary/exotic drop for anyone above 3rd place. Not once and i still dont expect it to happen. From MY experience in pvp, ive seen at least 25+ exotics drop for dead last, not ONCE for first place same with legendary engrams, not a single time. This is because they expect good players who like pvp to keep on playing, and that shitty players going 0-21 have motivation to actually play the pvp. Not too mention that you can go multiple games in a row without finding ANYTHING at all compared to doing the same strike youve done 150+ times and recieve legendary after legendary after legendary. Activating a glimmer item like a black wax idol will give you 7+ glimmer for each kill in pve. A triple kill in pvp??...... 5 glimmer. [/quote] definitely needs work to address the issue of the worst person on the team getting the best reward. [quote][b]6.) MISC [/b] -horrible matchmaking, no ranking system it just throws every single guardian into games with one another. Team games dont work when your teamates go 1-17. You need skill based matchmaking. [/quote] YES!!!!!!! I'd love to have some sort of ranking system. Similar to Halo's system where you rank up your guardian and unlock cosmetic changes to your armor, or even shaders. Rewards for pvp challenges and not just faction/crucible exp from bounties [quote]-bitches wanting to buff/nerf guns. Bungie, buff the auto rifles back to the way they were and then STOP -blam!-ING WITH SHIT. THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE AUTO RIFLES WERE NERFED, ESPECIALLY IN PVE. this should be oblivious but dont listen to people with horribly negative kds about weapon buffing/nerfing. [/quote] Couldn't agree more [quote]-combined arms should be a permanent playlist since this is the only gamemode to play 2/3 of this games only large maps and it seriously is here less than iron banner wtf? [/quote] agree whole heartedly. [quote]-pvp factions: only significant items they send you are ships/shaders. They need more relevance. [/quote] Faction rewards definitely need a boost to make them worth while. [quote]-1v1, 1v1v1, and then 2v2v2 or actual custom games for no rep/exp should be the next things you should add imo.[/quote] this NEEDS to be done at some point.

I agree with you everywhere. And this list is far from being complete imo. Bump!

I agree with everything but the autorifle claim. Tou should never have had the range and power they did prepatch. Your auto rifle isnnow a auto. it dominates mid to close. Pulse is now a pulse. Dominating mid to far. its ballanced.

[quote]Ive played a decent amount of pvp in this game and needless to say there are some massive issues with the multiplayer. From my personal experience these are the reasons why pvp is just a shitshow for a majority of destiny players. [b]1.)this was sold as a pve game[/b] Enough said. This was marketed as a mostly pve game yet in reality its about half. There are people who simply wont play the multiplayer in this game and never will. [b]2.)lag[/b] I have solid internet connection and never get error codes. Literally never. That being said there is about a 1 second lag after getting a kill or being killed where you or the other player can still get a kill which results in you and other players killing one another repeatedly. How many times a game do you and another player kill one another whether it be melee, snipers, fusion rifles, whatever??? For me the average is about 3-4 times a game with all sorts of weapon types in all honesty. People using lag switches and stuff like that is something ive noticed a lot in destiny pvp as well where somehow the mothe-blam!-er lagging all over the place is getting tons of kills??? [b]3.)supers[/b] They simply need game modes without supers ENTIRELY. The gun play is excellent but at a certain point supers just get really annoying. [b]4.)maps[/b] There are certainly some maps that i like, and some definately work for rumble and skirmish but most do not work for teams of 6. They are simply too small, too cramped for the cluster-blam!- supers and op weapons people have. Its like how are people surprised shotguns are the preferred weapons in pvp.... Its cause theyre useful 95% of the time on 80% of the maps... They are literally all cqb..... Bastion, first light and skyshock are the few maps that i can really enjoy anymore simply because they host a variety of different ranges and weapon types actually fit their roles. Tiny maps cause -blam!-ed up spawns as well and im sure many others have noticed how bad the spawning system is in this game on mostly the small maps.... This is made for kids who run in, get killed, and then 5 seconds later they spawn 25 feet away, and is the exact reason why cod is a -blam!-ing joke for any actual pvp players. [b]5.)rewards[/b] Despite having over a million medal score ive never recieved an exotic/legendary drop in crucible outside of the iron banner (all ive found are their weapons/ship still no exotic) This being said, the rewards in pvp are clearly skewed to the bottom of the team. Ive literally never seen anything legendary/exotic drop for anyone above 3rd place. Not once and i still dont expect it to happen. From MY experience in pvp, ive seen at least 25+ exotics drop for dead last, not ONCE for first place same with legendary engrams, not a single time. This is because they expect good players who like pvp to keep on playing, and that shitty players going 0-21 have motivation to actually play the pvp. Not too mention that you can go multiple games in a row without finding ANYTHING at all compared to doing the same strike youve done 150+ times and recieve legendary after legendary after legendary. Activating a glimmer item like a black wax idol will give you 7+ glimmer for each kill in pve. A triple kill in pvp??...... 5 glimmer. [b]6.) MISC [/b] -1/2 of the rumble games you join are half way over. -horrible matchmaking, no ranking system it just throws every single guardian into games with one another. Team games dont work when your teamates go 1-17. You need skill based matchmaking. -bitches wanting to buff/nerf guns. Bungie, buff the auto rifles back to the way they were and then STOP -blam!-ING WITH SHIT. THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE AUTO RIFLES WERE NERFED, ESPECIALLY IN PVE. this should be oblivious but dont listen to people with horribly negative kds about weapon buffing/nerfing. -combined arms should be a permanent playlist since this is the only gamemode to play 2/3 of this games only large maps and it seriously is here less than iron banner wtf? -pvp factions: only significant items they send you are ships/shaders. They need more relevance. -1v1, 1v1v1, and then 2v2v2 or actual custom games for no rep/exp should be the next things you should add imo.[/quote] Bastion and first light were my two favorite maps for control when destiny first came out. Great lines of sight for snipers, close quarters for shotguns and hand cannons. Vehicles. Those maps were, in my opinion, what set destiny apart from other shooters. I don't want to play combined arms to have to play them. Its not the same. Also the light level system is just dumb. I resent the fact that i can't be level 32 without doing the raid multiple times. I completed both raids six times and I still wasn't 32. So I boycotted the broken raid and dismantled most of my raid gear. Now all I play is PvP, but it is so laggy its more frustrating than fun. As a result I don't play as much as I used to or would like to.

PvP needs some fixing mostly when you play vs losers who spam supers off the titan bubble strategy, quick fix why not eliminate orbs from pvp and stop losers from cheating

Also, you say (within #1) that people won't play multiplayer in this game... Isn't the whole game multiplayer? Or do you mean people won't play PVP?

Damn, I thought you were blowing smoke about a million medal score..congrats man that had to be a serious grind.

The Combined Arms part. So much of that. It's the only fućking game variant that has First Light and Bastion and it pisses me off so much that it's rarely even there. Why would they even do this ? I try to keep away from PVP because like you said, the maps are an absolute JOKE. I play a more defensive type of play style. Staying back, and taking my time. With maps other than on CB, you can do that, but there's always a chance that too much shit is going on and players constantly running through the tiny maps and flushing you out no matter what. It sucks that I can only HALF way enjoy PVP like once a month on this game. Bungie is a joke when it comes to both PVE and PVP. It's like they lost all ability to think logically.

I agree with some of your issues. They're all valid complaints. Except, I don't understand #1. How does being marketed as a PVE game affect PVP?

Commendations suck. I used to be in new monarchy, but played mostly PVE. I was happy earning vanguard marks to buy from them with the chance for drops from new monarchy. When the commendations came in I could no longer buy from vanguard if I stuck with new monarchy. Factions are pointless now to anyone who runs PVE most.

Without supers it would make this game too similar to advanced warfare it's already similar with the Exo suit and hunter jumps and scout rifles and marksman rifles