[quote]It still is not enough to push the gun past close range weapon.[/quote]its more than enough to make it decent/good at midrange. That awkward midrange the 90% of encounters happen when not a close range encounter. Honestly you should never bother with a long ass range encounter anyways. Even with a scout rifle or hand cannon. The vex is on paper the best pvp gun for 90% of the maps. Id say the thorn or hawkmoon are a close second in terms of best primaries in the game. Surros in third. Shit doesnt always work out and surros does beat it hands down at mid range and so does thorn if all shots are headshots. But not everything is always a headshot so there is no point in going into specifics since those rarely happen.