I would rather be a Warlord and lord my powers over the weakling people but those aren't a thing anymore, sadly... Call me a guardian, call me a Dredgen, I call me a Risen, much like my pal Drifter, trust!

I fell the same way. Better to be an autocrat with absolute law and order.

I prefer outlaw, since we are space cowboys and all

[quote]Your loyalty is to this city and it's people. [/quote] Nope. ...and that's where Lakshmi (and those who think like her are wrong)....and its why Osiris and now Ikora are right. The conflict that we are involved in is WAY past the point of "Us vs Them"....and even Light vs Dark at this point. The Conflict is really about the MANTLE (to borrow from Halo) at this point. I always wondered why the Traveler abandoned all the other people's She encountered before Humanity. Even the Eliksni. What IS IT about Humanity that She has now stood Her ground and FOUGHT to protect US? Not once....but now TWICE? We are being shown what the answer is. What She saw in us (however imperfect) was our ability to form BONDS and build communities BEYOND the boundaries of our species. The reason why She abandoned the Eliksni is because, their instinct was to---when they came here and found Humanity huddled under the Traveler----was to wage war and TAKE the Traveler back by force. But at every turn----though imperfect----Humanity reaches out to help those in need. The Awoken risked everything to help the remnants of Humanity on the edge of extinction when it was in their own interests to leave those on Earth to fend for themselves. Ikora offered the House of Light shelter within our walls, when she could have just as easily tried to find a way to trick Mithrax out of his aid, while giving him nothing of substance in return. The Traveler CHOSE us because it is our nature to value ALL life, and not just our own....and to turn your back on others and only choose the side of those like you is to refuse "The Mantle"...and to turn your back on what the Traveler (and arguably the best of Humanity) stands for. TLDR: I see no difference in Crow standing up to City Dweller scum trying to terrorize the Eliksni in The House of Light than I do in the Iron Lords dealing with rogue Lightbearers (Warlords). Evil is evil...regardless of what clothing it wants to wrap itself in.

Do you not think Osiris is being really suspicious? Last week him and mithraks had a conversation concerning an idea inside his head that if we continued to combat the vex network like we do, we could eventually dismantle everything the vex have. Mithraks is concerned the vex considered this. osiris replies with "We do what we must to survive" This VERY WEEK... First thing that through me of. The new expunge mission dialogue at the end Mithrax offers a suggestion to look and maybe improve the device Lakshimi is using because he is worried about it. Osiris then acts "Coy"? Playing it off by saying that the Black armory have already improved it and that keeping Mithrax and lakshimi apart would be a good idea. THEN IN OVERRIDE THIS WEEK... Osiris and mithrax has a convo and it goes in the vain of Osiris questioning why mithrax said "we do what we must to survive" and questioning if there is an ulterior motive towards it TRYING TO LINK IT TO ERIMIS!!! . . . By which Mithrax simply responds with... "those where your words"... It... Frightens me.

Naah. Osiris and I are very similar personalities. Osiris is driven by pragmatism and reason. In politics he subscribes to [i]realpolitik[/i] (nations don’t have friends, they have interests.) So last season he was willing to ally with Caital and the Cabal to the degree that it would advance the interests of defeating Savathun and the Pyramids. But was willing to annihilate them to the degree that they were an obstacle to that goal. Same with this season. He’s willing to work with Mithrax and the Eliksni to the degree that we have common cause to in defeating the Vex. He and Mithrax cross swords because Mithrax respond emotionally to Osiris’ inspiration to weaponize what we’ve learned from the splicers to attack the Vex globally...because this is their first exposure to the vex going after them as an enemy. While Osiris respond from that coldly rational part of my own personality that takes the attitude of, “I didn’t start this fight, but I will finish it.” Plus Osiris understands that we are—-because of Vex control over Time—-looking at an eternal conflict and a war of annihilation with the Vex. So—-unless when render them extinct—-like the Machines in the Terminator universe, the Vex will just keep going further and further back in Time until the succeed in rendering us extinct. IOW, Mithrax doesnt understand the game that is being played. Whereas Osiris does...and is in it to win it. Elsie Bray is right about the Vex. The Hive kill to survive. The Vex destroy because the simply refuse to tolerate anything that is not Vex. As for Lakshmi? Osiris is protecting Mithrax from himself and Lakshmi. Osiris understand how vicious Consensus/City politics are and he’s keeping Mithrax out of a shark tank he is nowhere near ready to go swimming in. Mithrax is a warrior and a spiritual leader. You don’t turn someone like that loose in a room full of assassins and other backstabbers. Unless you’re trying to het him killed.

[quote]Stow that nonsense, remember that you're a Guardian first. Your loyalty is to this city and it's people. The squabbles of our citizens are beneath us, we're not constables. Not vigilantes. Leave the local issues to the city guard and FOTC.[/quote] No first I am me. And I will protect who ever I feel like if I see a garufan hurnibg a smaller I will shoot them then their ghost if I have to

Then you'll be dropped harder than a brick. I already stated how the Vanguard handles those who stray. The Praxics, Hidden, and Shin will kill other Guardians who kill other Risen. Shin is already gunning for the Dredgen. The Praxic Order will not hesitate to level a city block to kill rogue Guardians. If you take up the mantle as Guardian then your path is already clear. It's not a suggestion either. Threat? Sure. Recall that Imora is... [i]seeing[/i] to Risen who use Darkness out of line. It seems like several of you don't get it. The situation is tense as is. NO ONE, and I mean no one, wants to see Warlords again. While you think it's justified to outright murder and maim to protect, the city won't. If a Guardian ganks a citizen of the city? Trust is lost at a whole. Especially with Lakshmi spouting all hell about darkness using Risen getting their powers from the Eliksni.

Hey, well what happens when stuff like the most recent lore entry from the book "Under the Endless Night". Should we stand by and do nothing, or should we do what Crow did. I yes can't forgive who he was but I agree he what he did was right, doing harm to the Eliksni just because you have different ideals, remember it is easier to forgive than forget. So forgive, but don't forget, forgetting makes you too complacent, hence stuff like this happens and you turn a blind instead of preventing it.

You have a larger problem to worry about. Like helping the Light Kell end the Night.

With all this mess in mind, my speech idea is still a sound idea to clean up some of the deceit and stop some of the violence. A murder and a Ether tank sabotaged, these are unfortunate events but they were preventable, the continued standing by and doing nothing to stop stuff like this, is aggravating. Hence my strong reaction, and hostility to any who harm the Eliskni as they don't deserve this violence, they have done nothing to deserve it specifically, House Salvation, House Dusk can take that hate but not House Light and those who are willing to follow the Path Mithrax has paved, he is the prophesied Kell of Kells I am positive it is him this time, he may not know it yet but I see him uniting his race.

I am but I can't condone this violence, even if I have to stop or prevent by FORCE, Crow can't protect the Eliskni forever, I know one solution to this would just lead to another problem and that solution is a extreme solution but a bad one: (assassinate Lakshmi 2)

The idea of a Guardian going rogue will only make Lakshmi a martyr. She already paints Guardians in bad light due to the use of Stasis. If you assassinate her it will end badly. The Hidden.and Praxic Order wont let such a thing go either. Nor Shin Malphur. You'd be dead.