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원본 게시물 출처: Sun setting ruins incentive to play
6/27/2020 1:23:23 PM
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[quote]Your argument is so laughably bad, I don’t know how to come up with a response beyond, um no? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha[/quote] Can’t even come up with a response... new content should require new weapons.
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  • 작성자: Fred Fredburger 6/28/2020 3:42:28 PM
    Re releasing the same weapon with a new icon and a bigger number is not a new weapon.

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  • [quote]Re releasing the sale weapon with a new icon and a bigger number is not a new weapon.[/quote] You’re right. Change it so that if a weapon gets updated like that all versions of it also get updated.

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  • 작성자: Fred Fredburger 6/28/2020 3:57:25 PM
    I agree. If they actually changed the weapons in a significant way, I would have a better opinion of the whole idea. But as it is currently being implemented, it feels like a lady, low effort way of extending play time. Like I said, this used to be my favorite game, but I can't get behind this decision.

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  • [quote]I agree. If they actually changed the weapons in a significant way, I would have a better opinion of the whole idea. But as it is currently being implemented, it feels like a lady, low effort way of extending play time. Like I said, this used to be my favorite game, but I can't get being this decision.[/quote] So far there’s one clear negative to sunsetting. It could be easily changed. Sunsetting will be far more beneficial than harmful. It’s far more harmful for the same weapons to be used over and over again for years while new weapons get used for infusion fuel. What’s the point in creating new weapons when they aren’t getting used?

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  • How exactly is it harmful to have people using the weapons they prefer?

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  • [quote]How exactly is it harmful to have people using the weapons they prefer?[/quote] When they aren’t using the new weapons, the new weapons become pointless. When the new weapons become pointless, grinding for new loot becomes pointless. When grinding for loot becomes pointless, Destiny becomes pointless. Recluse shouldn’t be in 75% of Loadouts forever.

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  • So how does re releasing the same content accomplish that goal?

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  • [quote]So how does re releasing the same content accomplish that goal?[/quote] Rereleasing what? We’ve already talked about how the retiring weapons are flawed right now. That could easily be changed. That’s the only valid criticism you’ve brought up.

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  • Why is it imperative that everyone use the newest gear? Maybe some people don't like the way new gear looks or feels. Take season if dawn for instance. I really disliked most of the weapon designs, so I used older weapons. Some weapons perform better by design. If Bungie changes the sunsetting system to something less lazy, I may change my opinion. But for now, this is a deal breaker for me.

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  • 작성자: Bore 6/28/2020 7:10:08 PM
    [quote]Why is it imperative that everyone use the newest gear? Maybe some people don't like the way new gear looks or feels. Take season if dawn for instance. I really disliked most of the weapon designs, so I used older weapons. Some weapons perform better by design. If Bungie changes the sunsetting system to something less lazy, I may change my opinion. But for now, this is a deal breaker for me.[/quote] You won’t have to use the newest gear. All gear will have a year long lifespan. That’s a lot of time for something to be viable in all new content. New weapons need to have advantages over old weapons. Otherwise new weapons are pointless. They’ve tried new perks and perk combos and it hasn’t worked.

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  • 작성자: Fred Fredburger 6/28/2020 7:10:03 PM
    [quote][quote]New well and need to have advantages over old weapons. Otherwise new weapons are pointless. They’ve tried new perks and perk combos and it hasn’t worked.[/quote] Seems like we may have gotten mixed up. This is what I was responding to. I'm not trying to convince anyone to stop playing. I'm just posting my reasoning for not moving forward with the franchise. I don't agree with it. It doesn't sound fun. Time for a new game. If you like it, good for you. If not, that's ok too.

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  • 작성자: Bore 6/28/2020 7:11:23 PM
    [quote][quote]New well and need to have advantages over old weapons. Otherwise new weapons are pointless. They’ve tried new perks and perk combos and it hasn’t worked.[/quote] This[/quote] They are going to have advantages... Their max light is going to be higher. Meaning they’ll be usable in the newer activities. That’s the point of sun setting. They’ve tried other ways to make the new weapons replace old ones. Hasn’t worked. Time to try something else.

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  • Increasing light level is not a reason to sunset gear.

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  • [quote]Increasing light level is not a reason to sunset gear.[/quote] That’s literally what sunsetting is... some weapons light level will be capped. For example recluse will be 1060 capped, but you can still use it once it gets sunset. A newer weapon will be better for content over 1060.

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  • If light level is the problem, then maybe that system needs to be reevaluated.

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  • [quote]If light level is the problem, then maybe that system needs to be reevaluated.[/quote] Light level isn’t a problem. It’s the solution to the current problem. New weapons need an advantage over old weapons. The advantage can’t cause power creep. Light level is that advantage.

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  • Apparently it's not. It's been with us since the beginning of Destiny and we are still having this "problem".

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  • [quote]Apparently it's not. It's been with us since the beginning of Destiny and we are still having this "problem".[/quote] Because we haven’t had level caps on weapons. That starts next season. We’re having this problem because they didn’t start weapon capping sooner.

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  • Again, we are level capping gear to be re-released at a future date. They may have mentioned ways to fix the system, but that's not what we were given. They have you also not made any formal announcement about correcting the system. If they change it, I will re-evaluate the situation at that point. But until then, no more money for Bungie.

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  • [quote]Again, we are level capping gear to be re-released at a future date. They may have mentioned ways to fix the system, but that's not what we were given. They have you also not made any formal announcement about correcting the system. If they change it, I will re-evaluate the situation at that point. But until then, no more money for Bungie.[/quote] We haven’t had sunsetting happen yet. It’s being set up this season to be implemented next season. You can not evaluate anything until it happens.

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  • If that's true then what are the reprised weapons being handed out in iron banner? Looks like the same guns with higher light levels to me.

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  • [quote]If that's true then what are the reprised weapons being handed out in iron banner? Looks like the same guns with higher light levels to me.[/quote] They are getting their max level raised. They aren’t going to retire all weapons every season. That would make the weapon pool incredibly small.

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  • I don't recall anyone saying that they were...

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  • [quote]I don't recall anyone saying that they were...[/quote] Then why are you surprised they’re having some iron banner weapons levels raised.

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  • I'm not. This is what we get to look forward to with sun setting. The same thing with a bigger number and more grind. Less actual new content.

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