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5/26/2020 4:24:59 AM
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What about raids like scourge and crown? Bungie didn’t say anything about them being exempt from sunsetting, which doesn’t make sense. Unlike menagerie and reckoning, you can’t just jump into these activities whenever you want. It doesn’t make sense to just keep two out of the seven current raids viable.
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Everything prior to [i]Shadowkeep[/i] is being sunset in the fall. My understanding is that the "grandfatherling" of raid weapons only applies to the weapons from Garden of Salvation. So they get to hang around a bit longer than the rest of weapons from [i]Shadowkeep.[/i]
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That still doesn’t justify retiring the weapons from the other raids. If these raids had their weapons retired the. they would barley see any play, crown of sorrow and spite of stars are already unpopular on the forums, but the retirement of their gear could see the desire to play them vanish completely.
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You cannot have loot games where people keep loot and it’s relevant forever. It breaks the game. Bungie tried to ignore that fact for five years, and now they are finally admitting that this rule applies to their game as well as everyone else’s.
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And yet garden of salvation and last wish get a pass because they are raids. Mind you the gear they drop hasn’t been meta breaking. All I’m saying is that ALL raids should get exempt from sunsetting and not just those two.
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작성자: Doctor_Roidberg 5/26/2020 12:50:43 PMAnd you’re dodging the question. [b][u][i]What makes Last Wish and Garden different than Scourge and Crown?[/i][/u][/b] Meanwhile Calus, Argos, and Val Cau’uor have been neglected since Year 1. They had a LITTLE bit of life breathed back into their raids with 2.0 armor, but not anymore because now the armor is being sunset.
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Because its the raid that will be one year old when the Fall Expansion drops. So they will let you level up that raid gear so that you can take it into the raid they'll be dropping. (There is nothing in that raid's lootpool that will break the raid they are currently building).
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[quote]Additionally, there’s nothing game breaking about the Crown or Scourge gear any more than Garden.[/quote] Which is why were' getting sunsetting. The point is you have to have a consistent standard....and the system needs to be simple to understand. If it were up to me....I would make NO exceptions. For legendaries OR exotics. But Bungie isn't me....and I'm assuming that they're afraid that if they actually did that, you'd have people stroking out in the aisles from sheer foaming-at-the-mouth outrage.
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작성자: Doctor_Roidberg 5/26/2020 1:00:38 PM[quote]I would make no exceptions[/quote] Then explain. Last. Wish. The raid that came before Crown, Scourge AND Garden. It’s clearly not decided by dateline, just whatever Bungie feels like. [quote]OR Exotics[/quote] You’d kill this game, my guy.
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[quote]Then explain. Last. Wish.[/quote] Bungie is trying to create a hierachy of loot that is typical of RPGs and loot games. Where the best gear is obtained from the most difficult content. We dont' HAVE that in Destiny 2 right now. Basically all loot is the same no mater what you play. (Other than the exotics, there is NOTHING in any of these raids that can't be gotten someone other place, playing less difficult content). Bungie is begining that loot STRATIFICATION this fall. But making it so that (to an extent they haven't disclosed yet) that recent raid loot will be relevant in the next raid, before rotating out. Thus giving a SECOND layer of motivation for people to raid. Bungie is grandfathering certain gear sets to ease that transition and soothe player anger. I disagree with this approach...but its not my game. Because the more exceptions you make....the more exceptions people will expect. IOW, had they simply made no exceptions we wouldn't even be having this conversation, because the motivation would be crystal-clear. [quote]You’d kill this game, my guy.[/quote] Nope. But I would absolutely shed a number of players whose expectations of this game are NOT aligned with where its headling, and never will be. You can either shed them now....or have them be a constant drain on the game...until such time as they eventually decide to leave anyway. So there is little to be gained by prolonging that "lame duck" period. I said a year ago, that this time was coming. I knew it was coming because this game was carrying around a lot of players who played this game not for what it was, but because of what they hoped it would become. I said there were going to be winners and losers in this process...and stretching that process out won't prevent it from happening..... ...and may do more damage to Bungie's reputation than simply ripping the bandage off and keeping the period of pain to a minimum.
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Not really. What I’m trying to say is that no one will do a large portion of these endgame activities because of sunsetting. We have SEVEN raids in this game and Bungie wants to keep TWO of them alive. Sure scourge and crown may gat some play since they have exotics, but spire of stars, eater of worlds, and laviathen? Why would I play them?
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[quote] What I’m trying to say is that no one will do a large portion of these endgame activities because of sunsetting.[/quote] With all due respect, speak for yourself. Thera are a TON of Destiny players who are from RPG and loot-game backgrounds who understand that this is a STANDARD PRACTICE in these games. We never expected to hold onto this stuff forever....and most of us don't WANT to be still using the same shit 5 years from now. As I said, these games SURVIVE on the motivation to chase a carrot...and no one is going to chase after a carrot that isn't any different from the TRUCK LOAD of carrots they are being allowed to drag behind them every where they go. Fact is....except for the raid exotics...there is nothign that ANY of the D2 raid weapons can do or can offer that you can't get somewhere else in the game. You could sunset the GoS raid legendaries and the game still wouldn't miss a beat. As much as I like that pulse rifle, It is basically a BLAST FURNACE with a different skin and different sound design. Bungie is tyring to create room in the game to FIX this bland loot problem. Right now NOTHING in these raids----as far as loot----is worth grinding for or putting up with the hassle of raiding.
