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5/15/2020 12:10:11 AM
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And this is how Bungie congrats active players since firsts days who spent weeks of farming weapons and armors with the rights stats.
Also by creating a power cap on gears, you make them totally unattractive and leave them to abandonment.
An another point is to really appropriate a PVP stuff it takes months, so Bungie is telling us the moment you will be good at ease with, you could delete it.
Seriously Bungie you couldn't make it worst.
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[quote]And this is how Bungie congrats active players since firsts days who spent weeks of farming weapons and armors with the rights stats. Also by creating a power cap on gears, you make them totally unattractive and leave them to abandonment. An another point is to really appropriate a PVP stuff it takes months, so Bungie is telling us the moment you will be good at ease with, you could delete it. Seriously Bungie you couldn't make it worst.[/quote] Agreed. It’s takes masterwork completely out of the picture for a lot of us. By the time you get enough resources to masterwork anything it will be on the downside of sun setting. So what’s the point. And as far as power creep goes...I should be able to look at a dreg and kill it by now not damn near get one shotted by it. If there is power creep then I shouldn’t have to use 20 blaming clips to make a taken event go heroic should I? It’s an excuse to remove perks and recycle everything.
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[quote]And this is how Bungie congrats active players since firsts days who spent weeks of farming weapons and armors with the rights stats. Also by creating a power cap on gears, you make them totally unattractive and leave them to abandonment. An another point is to really appropriate a PVP stuff it takes months, so Bungie is telling us the moment you will be good at ease with, you could delete it. Seriously Bungie you couldn't make it worst.[/quote] Bungie: Hold my beer
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[quote]As an active player who has been playing this game since Day 1 D1, I'm used to the phasing out of armor and weapons. Its been part of the game forever. Its not as bad as you think. Its part of what kept D1 fresh.[/quote] Fresh? Fresh shit still stinks. I’m not “used to it”. I’m sick of it. You’re right they do it all the time. And I’m tired of starting over all the time. Hell, they even did it with stats ffs. STATS!? Were they holding the game down? They don’t want fresh. They want new people spending new money
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The stats were a bad idea, I agree. But as for Sunsetting, if you think its sucks, then tell me, what would you do different? Its easy to complain and stomp your feet and yell and bash your head against the wall, but no one wants that. These forums don't exist for people to complain. The exist for constructive criticism. So, instead of abusing that, let's have constructive feedback in form of a little debate. So as I have said before, what would you have done different, and why?
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Disagree with the first part (stats make farming armor not pointless)... Totally agree on the second part... people complain without viable suggestions which is just annoying. My favorite is... Bungie should come up with new activities and bounties because it gets stale just shoot things or throw balls or guard plates? I’m just like... name something else you can do in a looter shooter/mmo?
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I was thinking stats in regards to the wipong of the emblem stats, but that may have been what was being referenced lol. But thank you, someone that understands my frustration with people! THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO VENT. OFFER SUGGESTIONS, OR GET OUT. This is the Way.
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I spent 2 or 3 weeks redacting an analysis of what is wrong and what is good on destiny 2 with suggestions to improve the game and I sent it to my community manager. How I was disappointed when I saw for example he confused glory rank and valor rank in PVP, I told to him the level of players is really low since the game became free to play and add the new light, his only answer was "the new light of today could became the tryhard of tomorrow, we all started has new light." Yes it's true I started as a new light in destiny 1 on the first month of the game, what trivial answer with not a single elevation of the debate. And most of all he didn't tell anything about all the suggestions I proposed. Other element he said to our community the summoner auto-rifle and the flawless seal must be a deserving reward, but his KA/D is around 0,80 in osiris. He has been carry by the number 1 PVP player of my country and a friend of him. This is what supposed to mean "deserving" ? For me the only conclusion is Bungie employees aren't players as we are, they are just casual, so they don't know what we are talking about and all the time spent to fully complete everything (I have 125 285 points of triumphs). Ans the worst they don't care about players and even when we make interest of the game and try to find solutions.
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I respect that. Your points are valid, and honestly, you're probably right. But I imagine phasing weapons out is just as hard for a casual as a try hard, just in a different way. For a try hard, theyve been using that gun forever, and they love it. Its become something they adore. I was that way with Vision of Confluence. For a casual, theyve spent so much time getting it, that it is always newer, and less battle worn than a tryhard's. And just as the casual is beginning to use it and grow attached, it gets taken away. My point here is that although there may be a disconnect between Bungie devs and the community, I dont think weapon sunsetting is a result of that. I truly believe that they believe that this is the right move to make. And if it wasn't, I will be among the first to criticize, but I won't do so unless I have a better solution first. When we just complain and not offer solutions or reasons for these solutions, these forums become pointless hellholes of toxicity. I just want to spark productive debate. I have my own reservations about Sunsetting, but because its never too late to go back in this setting, I'll hold on and look at their reasoning which has validity behind it before I say "I'll never play it again."
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It's not the fact to just complain and say "I'll never play it again" the fact is each time they announce modification and I not only talk about buff and nerf of gameplay, I also talk about new contents, seasons, dlc... we are always disappointed because they always choose the wrong decision. At the beginning I thought it was because they had their hand tied by Activision, Activision is gone and we see the same problems. Then I thought we could help them by getting back up what we see in the game and make them proposition to improve, but with what I said earlier, they don't want to listen. And for me if someone doesn't want to listen the others, one day or an other, when everyone will have enough, they will end up alone, because that is what deserve that kind of people, and honestly when it will happen I will be the first and the saddest of all because this game as such an unused potential that's break my heart.
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Dude, I feel you. I love this game, and I want the best for it. I'm not the type to defend Bungie for everything they do, but this decision of sunsetting is something I have to agree with. Bungie is playing with fire, I do agree. I think this may be a make or break for the entire game. But when it comes to listening, keep in mind, any contact with a Community Manager or higher up will be filled with all this beaurocratic BS, because that's the job of any public figure. Also keep in mind that the game is developed a ways ahead of time, so any evidence of listening will be delayed. But if they do really refuse to listen (the fall expansion will tell), then they will get what they deserve.
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[quote]The stats were a bad idea, I agree. But as for Sunsetting, if you think its sucks, then tell me, what would you do different? Its easy to complain and stomp your feet and yell and bash your head against the wall, but no one wants that. These forums don't exist for people to complain. The exist for constructive criticism. So, instead of abusing that, let's have constructive feedback in form of a little debate. So as I have said before, what would you have done different, and why?[/quote] They’ve got my info. You wanna browse through all my post go for it. You’ll start to notice some things
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작성자: EXTREME FLUFF 5/15/2020 12:51:09 AMI looked through everything I could find about sunsetting weapons, and you're right, I did notice something: you rarely commented on this, and what you liked were things saying why this is bad (which very many were valid points). Ok, thats a third of the way there. But you're lacking a VERY important part: what should change to combat the problem they are addressing, and why would that be better?
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작성자: RopeAdope 5/15/2020 1:00:25 AM[quote]I looked through everything I could find about sunsetting weapons, and you're right, I did notice something: you rarely commented on this, and what you liked were things saying why this is bad (which very many were valid points). Ok, thats a third of the way there. But you're lacking a VERY important part: what should change to combat the problem they are addressing, and why would that be better?[/quote] First and foremost? Get rid of planned obsolescence. Power creep is irrelevant. They are creating the meta. I understand changing things up. I agree wholeheartedly with the philosophy behind it and was elated after I finished my first catalyst. I had to learn to use the weapon. Started experimenting. Etc. now? Kill 700 enemies. Wow-very exciting stuff. Edit: The point is, i hate the idea. Never was armor mentioned. They’re overreaching again, like always, and I’m tired of it. Weapons? I don’t like it but you don’t need max power for anything, really. But armor? And the cost of masterwork? Especially exotics? Na man. I’m out with that one
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Look, bottom line, I completely understand where these changes are coming from. I agree with the reasoning behind them. Most of the implementation is tolerable. But I’m not a resource hoarder. And most changes like this, are because of hoarders. Tribute Hall? Reducing resources. Armor 2.0? Reducing resources. And that leads to my main problem with Bungie. The implementation of what they consider a “fix” has always been atrocious. They don’t seem to realize that most of the people that have maxed out resources (ascendant shards/prisms/etc) have acquired them from some exploit that lasted 8hrs because this is their “second life”. Because a few people exploit the system, those that don’t are the ones punished.
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Sir, you have my respect. All of your points were valid, and I could tell you actually thought about them. Thank you for taking the time to have this discussion with me. At the end of all of this, I came to the conclusion that we're actually not that different in our point of views. You're a little more opposed to the weapons side of things than I am, but at least you understand why they're doing this. As for armor, I don't know man, it might work out fine, but I'm pretty iffy about that one too lol. Have a good rest of your night, and again, thank you. It makes me so happy to see people give an actual argument with some solutions.
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[quote]Sir, you have my respect. All of your points were valid, and I could tell you actually thought about them. Thank you for taking the time to have this discussion with me. At the end of all of this, I came to the conclusion that we're actually not that different in our point of views. You're a little more opposed to the weapons side of things than I am, but at least you understand why they're doing this. As for armor, I don't know man, it might work out fine, but I'm pretty iffy about that one too lol. Have a good rest of your night, and again, thank you. It makes me so happy to see people give an actual argument with some solutions.[/quote] You too ✌🏻
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작성자: RopeAdope 5/15/2020 1:01:41 AM[quote]Honestly, I think that sounds pretty good. But why keep all of these weapons that just don't have as good if stats as others? Not all weapons are created equal. They'll just be taking up memory and vault space.[/quote] I added the edit answering as you asked. Lol
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Its what happened for 3 years in D1 and no one had a problem with it, thats all I'm saying. I think everyone is just being over dramatic because, well, that's what the Destiny community does. "If this happens, I'm never playing again." I've heard that every single time any change happens in Destiny. Every. Single. Time. I've been around this game for coming up on 6 years now. And you know what? Although this Season is definitely the worst in my opinion (although I do like Trials on console, cant speak for the folks on PC), Bungie always bounces back. So many people have said "I hate this change" before it happens. Destiny changes. Has since The Dark Below. Weapons get phased out all the time even now, just because there is no incentive. The first few days after a major expansion were the most fun I've had in crucible back in D1, because the Meta was turned on its head. Just my 2 cents, but this will be fine. People don't like change, but it comes. Block it, try to trap it, The change will find a way.
