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8/18/2019 6:15:35 AM
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Judging by some of your responses it seems like you’re a very sensitive person, in which case I’d just say the internet isn’t for you and should just make your profile private. The reality of the issue is that most of those messages are in the heat of the moment and what’s wrong with a little trash talk? Simple messages like “you suck, you’re trash, delete the game” aren’t really toxic.
I also think it’s pretty hypocritical to basically tell these toxic people to “go out and socialize because that’s definitely the problem!” Pretty mean spirited from your own point of view.
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Hmmm, I don't agree with your take on this at all. A constructive way of dealing with someone's perceived lack of skill or experience at a game would be to offer some tips or maybe a carry or two. The destructive way to deal with it is to throw out insults. It's the normalising of insulting or toxic behaviour which leads to higher instances of more sinister behaviour, particularly when online. We, as a community, should not be normalising this type of behaviour we should be speaking up and informing the person responsible that they are out of line and aim at fostering a community from a game we engage with on a regular basis.
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[quote]Hmmm, I don't agree with your take on this at all. A constructive way of dealing with someone's perceived lack of skill or experience at a game would be to offer some tips or maybe a carry or two. The destructive way to deal with it is to throw out insults. It's the normalising of insulting or toxic behaviour which leads to higher instances of more sinister behaviour, particularly when online. We, as a community, should not be normalising this type of behaviour we should be speaking up and informing the person responsible that they are out of line and aim at fostering a community from a game we engage with on a regular basis.[/quote] Nobody normalizes it, it’s ingrained in humanity. It is already normal in all aspects of life not just video games. Gamers aren’t bad. No one is fostering it, and gamers aren’t responsible for correcting human nature. The game companies and platforms give each player the tools to stop harassment. If you’re bothered by other players use them, and save the speeches.
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Also, I would like to point out that yes this type of toxic behaviour is normalised online but that behaviour is not normalised for human nature. For example, you or I could be having a conversation online and any third party could join in with a comment like "oh shut up you fool" or any similar toxic response. This is "normal" online. However, if you and I were having a conversation in person the chances of a third party stranger involving themselves with the same insults would be extremely low and even if they did the response would be to tell them to stop that behaviour. So your point that online behaviour is a good indicator of how humans behave when they interact with each other is a massive simplification of the issue of online toxic behaviour.
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[quote]Also, I would like to point out that yes this type of toxic behaviour is normalised online but that behaviour is not normalised for human nature. For example, you or I could be having a conversation online and any third party could join in with a comment like "oh shut up you fool" or any similar toxic response. This is "normal" online. However, if you and I were having a conversation in person the chances of a third party stranger involving themselves with the same insults would be extremely low and even if they did the response would be to tell them to stop that behaviour. So your point that online behaviour is a good indicator of how humans behave when they interact with each other is a massive simplification of the issue of online toxic behaviour.[/quote] 1) You need a better example, people tell each other to shut up all the time. You’re equating it to strangers, which isn’t always but can possibly be the case. Ever seen a protest? Ever seen a group destroyed from within by people trying to get over on each other? Ever worked in an office? Tons of toxic behavior in those situations, and that’s just three off the top of my head. 2) You’re not defining toxic.
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Your examples are flawed and only go to prove my point. There are two types of protest, peaceful and hostile. A peaceful protest would not engage in the behaviour you are saying is normal human behaviour. It is only when the protest engages in toxic behaviour that it has become hostile. "In an office"?? If the company has guidelines which tells the employees that toxic behaviour is not acceptable and will result in disciplinary action then toxic behaviour is eradicated or the perpetrator is removed from the company. So, as I said in my original post, this toxic behaviour is dangerous when it is normalised and it is up to us as users and the company offering the forum to punish toxic behaviour and then decent behaviour is normalised, not toxicity.
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[quote]Your examples are flawed and only go to prove my point. There are two types of protest, peaceful and hostile. A peaceful protest would not engage in the behaviour you are saying is normal human behaviour. It is only when the protest engages in toxic behaviour that it has become hostile. "In an office"?? If the company has guidelines which tells the employees that toxic behaviour is not acceptable and will result in disciplinary action then toxic behaviour is eradicated or the perpetrator is removed from the company. So, as I said in my original post, this toxic behaviour is dangerous when it is normalised and it is up to us as users and the company offering the forum to punish toxic behaviour and then decent behaviour is normalised, not toxicity.[/quote] 1) You should research the civil rights movement and peaceful protests. That’s some real toxic stuff. Check out the dog attacks and fire hosing of people just sitting on the ground in peaceful protest. 2) “Company guidelines” have never stopped toxic behavior between coworkers. You’re being naive and idealic but not realistic. The threat of punishment has never stopped humans from being toxic to each other. 3) It isn’t normalized by online communities. It isn’t normalized by gaming communities. It’s normal human behavior. This is just a different way it manifests. 4) It is most certainly not “up to us” to punish anyone. We have no authority over other users. It’s more toxic for users to engage in personal attacks of others users even if they are misguided as “punishing toxic people”. 5) The forums have moderators who remove posts that violate the CoC. Users have two tools provided by Bungie to handle other users breaking the CoC: reporting and muting. If another user breaks the CoC any user can report and mute them. End of story.
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작성자: Nihilus247 8/20/2019 8:04:28 AMFirstly, something being engrained and something being normalised are not the same thing. It's engrained in us to have as many mates as possible to increase the chances of our survival as a species but it is normalised in us not to cheat on our partners. Secondly, I said fostering a community not fostering hostile attitudes. And thirdly, I will write whatever comment I like in these forums within the guidelines, who do you think you are to tell me to drop the "speeches".
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Don't read the post if you don't want to, I don't care. But don't read it and then tell me to save the speech. I will post what I think and speak up about something I see as a problem. And when I read the negative responses, that use name calling, belittling and other "tactics" to try and deflect attention from the issue, I will respond just as I have. Intelligently, and rationally. Without insults, hate or anger - accusations or blaming. I call a spade a spade. I don't try and convince you that an ace is a spade.
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[quote]Don't read the post if you don't want to, I don't care. But don't read it and then tell me to save the speech. I will post what I think and speak up about something I see as a problem. And when I read the negative responses, that use name calling, belittling and other "tactics" to try and deflect attention from the issue, I will respond just as I have. Intelligently, and rationally. Without insults, hate or anger - accusations or blaming. I call a spade a spade. I don't try and convince you that an ace is a spade.[/quote] Piss off.havent u got enough attention?[spoiler]attention seeker![/spoiler]
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[quote]Don't read the post if you don't want to, I don't care. But don't read it and then tell me to save the speech. I will post what I think and speak up about something I see as a problem. And when I read the negative responses, that use name calling, belittling and other "tactics" to try and deflect attention from the issue, I will respond just as I have. Intelligently, and rationally. Without insults, hate or anger - accusations or blaming. I call a spade a spade. I don't try and convince you that an ace is a spade.[/quote] Like I said save the speeches, your demonizing of your fellow players isn’t being a positive force in the world no matter how much you try and church it up.
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IT IS MOST DEFINITELY IS NOT INGRAINED. It is learned behavior, that needs to be unlearned. Insulting and harassing the worst player makes you look like a coward who is insecure. It's like a senior in high school beating up a freshman just because. And it needs to stop. People who act that way face to face with someone, find out the consequences, which generally puts and end to it then and there.
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작성자: Viridis Illian 8/18/2019 3:53:21 PM[quote]Judging by some of your responses it seems like you’re a very sensitive person, in which case I’d just say the internet isn’t for you and should just make your profile private. The reality of the issue is that most of those messages are in the heat of the moment and what’s wrong with a little trash talk? Simple messages like “you suck, you’re trash, delete the game” aren’t really toxic. I also think it’s pretty hypocritical to basically tell these toxic people to “go out and socialize because that’s definitely the problem!” Pretty mean spirited from your own point of view.[/quote] Actually, any message accusing someone of poor play is EXACTLY toxic. Calling out bullying, negative behaviour or cheating, is not. Nice contradictory approach though 😆😆
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Toxicity has evolved. I told kids they sucked at monopoly when I was like 6. Now people tell other people to die, that is toxic. Telling somebody their bad because they beat you is hardly toxic anymore and should be shrugged off or laughed at.
