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작성자: KaosThaKilla 9/30/2019 12:42:30 AM
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Thanks to everyone who read and commented, I appreciate you taking the time to share your thought and opinions. I read every comment, with an open mind.

I started playing video games a year ago. I'm a mom of a 12-yr old boy, who loves fortnite (I do not), and he wanted me to learn how to play. He also wanted me to change my view of video games. I was pretty strict and definitely had the wrong idea about first person shooter games. My boyfriend then sent me a link to a Ted Talk given by a Scientist of Neurology- that drastically changed my opinion. She talked about many different studies, which showed a multitude of benefits ranging from improved memory to increased capacity for multi-tasking. And these benefits were long lasting. I posted the link above if anyone is interested in watching. So, I decided to take an interest in what my son is interested in, as a way to connect with him. When I started playing, I was absolutely horrible. My only experience playing video games was Ms. Pacman and Galaga at the pizza parlors growing up. I never had a Nintendo or Playstation, and I only used computers for college and then later photography and graphics design. The dual stick controller was a foreign concept to me. I was so bad, I would literally get stuck in corners. My aim, or should I say complete lack of, would make my kid dizzy watching me. It was pretty painful to watch. I was happy when I got one kill in a game. I'm pretty competitive by nature, and don't like sucking at things. I came close to giving up, thinking I was never going to get any better. Since that's just not who I am, I stuck with it. I died, ALOT. Some matches in BO3, I would get 0 kills and be killed 30+ times. It wasn't much fun, because who likes being shot that much? Luckily, a couple gamers felt really sorry for me, and took me under their wing. I started playing regularly with them, and I listened and did what they told me to. Slowly, I began to get more kills, and was dying way less. And I was having fun. They are a great bunch of guys, who can be sweaty, but they are fun to play with. They didn't care if I sucked, and they never talked trash or were mean if I messed up in Control or Domination. Even if my deaths were the reason we lost. Four months ago, I started playing Destiny 2. Only because they were playing it all the time and rarely on BO4. It was pretty overwhelming at first, and very challenging. I had finally gotten to a point in BO4, where I was mostly positive, and knew the maps. In the beginning, I died ALOT in the campaign. I had trouble getting to the farm lol. Jumping was most definitely the most challenging. I can't tell you how many times I've fallen to my death. But again, I had really patient people who stood there and watched me try to make a jump 30 or 40 times. It was absolutely maddening, but like I said, I don't give up. I have managed to level up 2 characters to 750, have successfully completed Leviathan 5 times, and have cleared EOW, CoS and Last Wish one time. I have greatly improved my jumping, tho I still have many misadventures. Which I now laugh about. And I have to say that in PvE, I've only come across one a******, who actually yelled at me in Calus, even tho I was doing what I needed to. I'm pretty thick skinned, and told him where to go, and was not bothered by it. PvP, on the other hand, I've come across sooooo many toxic and rude people. From Gambit matches to Crucible, I've had people send me messages talking trash about how bad I suck, ranging from sarcastic to just down right nasty. I get it, people do not like losing. I don't either. But, I have never thought to send some hate filled message to the weakest person in the game, because believe it or not, it's not always me. I've become fairly decent at Gambit, and managed to get the Malfeseance. So while I'm not by any means what I would come consider good yet, I am constantly learning and improving. And usually enjoying my time playing, until some jerk decides to send me hate mail. I have received 4 messages in one day. At the end of the day people, this is a VIDEO GAME. If you can't remember that and keep things in perspective, then get off the game. I don't care HOW bad someone does, it's never a reason to be rude or mean to them. Here's a thought - how about using the 5 minutes it takes to write the message to offer help instead. Most of us that suck want to get better. We just might not know how to improve. We are all playing, I think, because we enjoy playing the game. Video games have given me a common bond with my son, improved my relationship with him, given my boyfriend and I another shared interest. I've met so many great people (well not met exactly) online, and had a lot of fun. Until PvP in Destiny. And that's unfortunate, because I like the challenge of PvP. People in PvP: QUIT BEING SO TOXIC. IT'S NOT A GOOD WAY TO BE, AND YOU NEED TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO EXPRESS YOURSELF. TURN THE GAME OFF AND GO OUT IN THE REAL WORLD AND LEARN HOW TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE. ITS CALLED SOCIAL SKILLS, GET SOME. That's all. I just needed to put that out there. Edit - I must clarify that I'm not talk to my about the entire Destiny Community. I've had great people help me here as well. From Raids to Gambit to Campaign. The post was originally titled "Why are people toxic?" But it was removed and I was warned not to violate the communication code of conduct. So I changed the title and reposted. How ironic is that? If you don't believe me, look at the Destiny 1 forum, bc I originally posted there. However the title remains the same. 🙄
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  • I think most of us know the neuro psychological benefits of gaming. They're well documented. The issue is the social psychological side. Video gamers and internet dwellers struggle to build up things like resilience and coping mechanisms. Naturally, video games are an escape from reality. When you're having a bad day, you can go hide on video games. You don't need to deal with life's problems, because there's an alternate fantasy life waiting for you, and you can be anything you want. Suffer from depression or anxiety? Play games that help pull you out of society and into a safe little bubble of a world. The biggest issue is that this compounds the problem. You think video games are your treatment, but they aren't. They're your escape. The longer you escape, the worse things get. It's the "hide from a bully vs face a bully" situation. You can't hide forever, and even if you do, you aren't solving anything. Of course video games help with neuroplasticity, building hand eye coordination, eye tracking, quick response times, fine motor control, etc. But they can also be very dangerous to the already vulnerable. They can elicit the same dopamine responses as crack addicts who just need another fix and can't help themselves, and in turn you watch your health and social connections decline before you spiral into a depression that is unrecoverable. Be careful, gamers. Don't get hung up on the benefits of gaming while you slowly kill yourselves.

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    • Gamer dad here who applauds your initiative and effort to better connect with your son. I think a lot of parents miss this opportunity by not engaging in what their kids are interested in, and in some cases outright deriding that child’s interests completely. Talk about creating a generational gap! My story’s slightly different from yours. I’ve loved video games since those arcade days. I remember the Astroids and the DigDugs, the Pac-Mans and Galagas too. One of my best Christmas memories was the year I got the Atari 2600 (which I still have). I initiated my daughter into the world of video games, amongst other worlds (anime and comic books). She grew up watching me play video games and then eventually picked up the sticks herself. She’s played a little Destiny, but right now she’s more into Skyrim and Fallout 4. Over the years, we’ve bonded tremendously while playing games together like Ratchet & Clank, Mario Kart, Teen Titans, Journey, Midnight Club and Zelda, which I’ve been playing since that first golden NES cartridge dropped. And she’s currently writing a brilliant fanfic about Link, and a fantasy novel with her own characters. She’s a voracious reader and an outstanding writer. She wants to be an author. We have a very strong bond, so much so that she feels comfortable talking to me about almost anything: topics ranging from anime and video games, to boys, religion, politics, etc. And I think a lot of that ease and comfort in our relationship stems from the fact that I didn’t chide her for enjoying her hobbies, and participated in them WITH her rather than dismissing them as silly, childish or a waste of time. I say all of this to say, I think your actions now will pay huge dividends later on when he needs to relate to you about things more serious than video games. He’ll look to “mom” as somebody who doesn’t just dismiss me or think of things I care about as unimportant. Building that strong foundation to the relationship at the beginning will help it flourish in later years. As for me, my daughter is heading off to college in a few days, leaving her mother and me to fend for ourselves. So if you see a certain titan running around the planets just shooting and profusely bawling his eyes out in the next few weeks, cut him a little slack. I’m dealing with some issues right now! 😂 As far as the toxicity of the community goes... I think that’s just indicative of our society at the moment. We live in what I call a “reality tv” culture right now. It seems that everyone has to somehow put everyone else in their places (obviously not literally EVERYONE is like this, but a growing number). Civility is apparently on the decline, and the base, denominator sentiment underlying most interactions now seems to be anger. Couple this with the anonymity online gaming affords, and people feel like they can say whatever to whomever, whenever they feel like it.

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      • When they message me bs i just say i'm an hour from Boston, say it to my face or F off . No takers, not once . Social media rotting peoples brains more than any video game and oddly making them antisocial :/

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      • First of all, you’re inspiring and one of the few of a dying breed. Most people wouldn’t have hung in there so long and remained steadfast in their convictions like that. Congrats on the amazing perseverance to stick to your guns, trust in yourself and know that true improvement only comes through the gauntlet of failure. I commend you for not giving up.

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      • 작성자: W33DEDPLAGUE 8/18/2019 2:17:59 AM
        You sound like a great mom, most of the community is filled with good people, the bad ones are just more visible. Also, "I cant tell you how many times I've fallen to my death." I've played this franchise for 5 years, video games for 25 to 30, and I STILL fall to my death lol...sorry to tell ya, it never stops completely.

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      • Great story and great post. The worst part of Destiny has been the nasty places of the community. The toxic crucible people, the people who constantly complain about the game when you're trying to enjoy it, and the elitist people who think gear=skill/competency instead of realising they are two separate things. Of course the cheaters as well. Fortunately it's not the whole community, but it's definitely prevalent.

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        • it's really cool to play Destiny with your boy, since parents usually have a bad opinion about video games, but dont forget that there's more ways to Bond & spend quality time with kids

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        • Hey this post is really awesome.....good stories, and better yet - happy endings, are a welcome breath of fresh air to this game’s community. If you’re ever wanting to tackle the newer raids, and are on PS4 (it’s possible that I missed that), then feel free to let me know. As well as anybody else here looking for their first clear.....always happy to help.

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        • I'm glad you and your son have a good relationship :)

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        • What you’re describing is an issue in all online video games, and can be expected by the tiny minority of bad actors who play this game. The Destiny community is majority good people having fun playing the game. They each have their own personality, and aren’t “toxic”. I don’t really see the point of a post like this besides simple virtue signaling. If there is one feel free to clarify it for me.

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          • So you removed toxic from the title and moved it down about 25 paragraphs? Cool.....

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          • 작성자: Nell421 8/20/2019 1:50:14 AM
            https://imgur.com/FIj18Jw

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          • It's not all bad tho. I came from Xbox 360 where I had no one to play with. It was boring. But then I met one person and we played together day after day. I still have those friends. Who learned me how to play this game and accepted me for who I am. Not many people do that these days. I am not playing this game to escape reality. But because I was accepted by some nice people. It's not all toxic l. You just need to find the right people

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            • Yeah thats..not exclusive to destiny. Or it might be, I dunno I'm not going to read a novel on this site.

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            • Well what sucks is that toxicity is being used as a blanket term for getting mad. Most anger in online games comes from imbalance or lack of control. Right now...theres a lot of that. In many many places. Some of it comes out of frustration of other players, especially in terms of winning a team game. If someone's on your team doing bad, you can't just get rid of them. Just do your best regardless and be demoralised. Then there's just salt. People like winning. The main point here is this. If you have a well designed game, nobody cares about losing, or getting beaten. Destinys PvP doesn't hit that mark.

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            • Judging by some of your responses it seems like you’re a very sensitive person, in which case I’d just say the internet isn’t for you and should just make your profile private. The reality of the issue is that most of those messages are in the heat of the moment and what’s wrong with a little trash talk? Simple messages like “you suck, you’re trash, delete the game” aren’t really toxic. I also think it’s pretty hypocritical to basically tell these toxic people to “go out and socialize because that’s definitely the problem!” Pretty mean spirited from your own point of view.

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              • Since when are common courtesy and sportsmanship a BAD THING?

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                • I was lucky enough to experience the other side of this community for the most part. I was fostered by a clan of great people, mostly kids less than half my age, and they have been nothing if not patient with the old fart. Our first Leviathan took us several hours (no kidding!) thanks mostly to my shenanigans. At the end, around 5AM my time, Calus was finally dead, and they all unanimously voted me "man of the match," tongue firmly in cheek but still honest because they appreciated what it took to hold on until the bitter end after a 60hr work week, in the wee hours, at what probably seems to them like retirement age. They are a great bunch of lads, honestly. In just our raid team there were people from five different countries, born in three different decades, across all colors of the rainbow, both on the inside and outside. There was a kid who was waiting for his birthday money to buy the season pass, and there was a guy who had just bought a Lexus SUV. Destiny dads, kinderguardians, someone with Asperger's, someone working night shifts, someone on leave from the services - and in the D2 world, we found something that brought us together. Sure, I've had my share of toxicity aimed at me, who hasn't? One time in QP Clash I was getting farmed so bad, I actually figured out that crouching in cover was better for my team than sticking my head out and getting in a gunfight (numbers don't lie.) I got yelled at in chat by another player and I seeing as I couldn't reason with them in a civil fashion, I reported them (after repeatedly warning them I would, of course.) But I see that as the exception rather than the rule, and the tools are there to deal with it. I guess what I'm saying is @Chaos, don't give up on humanity yet. You are a guardian, after all. Choose your friends, ignore (or even better, report) the trolls, and keep being a cool mom. People like you and those we both write about make this game fun for all of us.

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                  • 작성자: Manav 8/19/2019 5:32:34 AM
                    D2 community is probably one of the worst communities in gaming right now. And the replies on this thread prove it.

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                    • Annnd downvoted..

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                    • It’s an online game, so hate is natural. Don’t get so off put by it

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                      • 작성자: Wolf LXXIX 8/17/2019 10:19:35 PM
                        Well for a start, you're lying. According to DestinyTracker your first game was May 12th, also "I have managed to level up 2 characters to 750".......no you haven't, none of your characters are LL 750. You're also getting carried quite a bit from what i can see stat wise (6.74K/D ratio for PvE). It's nice that you've come on here to moan, just make sure you don't start off by trying to polish your own ego and BS the community yeah.

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                        • Kids mimic how people around them behave. Not much one can do except: 1. Set a good example yourself 2. If you witness someone being targeted with what they call "trash talk", interfere. It is good for everyone, including the trash talking kid (or man-child).

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                        • 작성자: recon three 8/19/2019 1:49:31 PM
                          World is full of Trolls, don’t feed them and they will go away. Just consider how sad it is to be them: they get a feeling of self worth by putting themselves over other people in A VIDEO GAME. Good luck on your journey and great job so far. Just remember trolls are there, and they always will be, how you react to them is what matters. Cheers !

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                        • Sadly posts like this only give fuel to those toxic people. I got hate mail the other day after loading into a match one minute before it ended and only had 4 kills. I mean people rage over anything and half the time they have no clue what they are raging over. They just need to lay blame somewhere and internet trolls will be internet trolls. Just report and block these people if they get too extreme.

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                        • 작성자: PowerHouseJosh 8/18/2019 5:41:27 PM
                          You say you’re thick skinned, but then come on here to rant and screech with a wall of text like some snowflake sjw. Probably lay off the Internet and the game if you’re over sensitive to trash talk

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