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작성자: More Power 8/31/2018 3:42:27 PM
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I’m gonna let you in on a little secret... Some people like the crucible, and some people don’t like sheep being thrown to the wolves, or stacked teams pitted against solo players. Some people like strikes, and they want light level to matter so strikes aren't always a sweat fest that are often not doable if you can't carry the other two. Some people like to raid, but many can't because too many established raid teams won't teach the overly complicated 6-man mechanics. Some people like EP, but find it exceedingly difficult to get 9 people together. Some people like trials, but the rest don't like the cheaters, the fun police, and no SBMM (being thrown to the wolves). Some people like milestones.... Yeah sure. Some people like patrolling. Really? That got old in D1Y1. Streamers.... The only way to make sense of many of the game design decisions is to look at them from the streamer point of view. Then it all makes perfect sense... If, from Bungie's perspective, the point of their business model is to sell games, they must know that most people who watch/follow streamers have already bought the game. Making the game as accessible as all of the end-game activities were in D1Y1 will sell far more games - far more.
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  • [quote]Some people like the crucible, and some people don’t like sheep being thrown to the wolves, or stacked teams pitted against solo players.[/quote]Then play competitive. Comp will match you based on skill, go crazy there if you want, quickplay is [u]meant[/u] for finding the fastest games possible and is a non-ranked playlist, it doesn't and certainly shouldn't have any form of SBMM As for teams one can always make a team themselves, it's literally inviting players, you don't even have to talk [quote]Some people like strikes, and they want light level to matter so strikes aren't always a sweat fest that are often not doable with 2 casual random blueberries.[/quote]You're reffering to heroic strikes? The negative modifiers like glass or grounded suck there but the strikes aren't exactly hard even with them [quote]Just about everyone wants to raid, but can't because of the overly complicated 6-man mechanics.[/quote]Which is why there are plenty of video and protect guides that explain everything, if a player is too lazy to even watch a 10 minute vid or read why would they have the patience to sit through a hour(s) long activity? [quote]Some people like EP, but find it exceedingly difficult to get 9 people together.[/quote]This is the only part of your post I agree with, getting a group of friends or off off and then you need to find each other on mars is pretty trash. [quote]Some people like trials, but most don't like the cheaters, the fun police, and no SBMM.[/quote]Cheaters are the most tiny % of trials players, the likelyhood of you matching them in any regularity is beyond remote. As for SBMM why would trials have it? It was created for the top % of pvp players, if you enter that playlist the game knows you believe yourself to be a top tier team and as such will match you with anyone at the same number of wins. With SBMM bottom tier teams could get flawless as ruegalry as top tiers; something the entire game mode was designed around being. You're matched with others at the same wins, originally it was totally random, trials never had SBMM and never should.

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  • Videos.... Seems inherently wrong to have to watch someone else play the game. [quote]You're reffering to heroic strikes? The negative modifiers like glass or grounded suck there but the strikes aren't exactly hard even with them[/quote] Try running a glass/grounded/blackout heroic strike at Brakion with 2 brand new players. Maybe I need to watch a lot more videos. [quote]It was created for the top % of pvp players [/quote] Makes perfect sense.

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  • [quote]Videos.... Seems inherently wrong to have to watch someone else play the game.[/quote]Not really, the point of endgame is for it to be exciting and challenging, seems like you can't be bothered to watch a 10 min video to figure out how to do things and instead expect the game to hand out rewards to you off what's supposed to be the hardest challenge in the game. [quote]Try running a glass/grounded/blackout heroic strike at Brakion with 2 brand new players. Maybe I need to watch a lot more videos.[/quote]You can't have all 3 bad modifiers, in fact you can only have one... Brakion with blackout is easy since vex aren't melee type the way hive or fallen are, you can still survive a snipe from him with glass plus the windup on it is so long you shouldn't be getting hit by it twice, they already nerfed how hard we get hit in midair with grounded on as well. [quote]Makes perfect sense.[/quote] That's the truth, go watch the original reveal if you want, it was designed for that lighthouse exclusivity

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  • [quote]seems like you can't be bothered to watch a 10 min video to figure out how to do things and instead expect the game to hand out rewards to you off what's supposed to be the hardest challenge in the game.[/quote] Never assume... (there's an "ass" a "u" and a "me" in there) Don't do it... Fact is, I have watched way-way more than 10 minutes of D2 raid videos. And, I've never-ever once expected the game to hand out rewards when not investing the time or not completing the activities.

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  • Then I don't see why you're claiming everyone wants to raid but there overly complicated mechanics. A 10 min vid then executing the strat is all you need

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  • "everyone" was a hyperbole... I need to be more clear. my bad [quote]A 10 min vid then executing the strat is[u] all [/u]you need[/quote] "all you need".... Not even a wipe/do-over? If so, that's some vid... (or was that a hyperbole?) In all seriousness, there needs to an easier way, in addition (I guess) to spending hours (or 10 minutes for raid gods) on YouTube.

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  • You don't need to spend hours in YouTube, any 10 min guide says the same as the rest, of course there's personal trial and error whike trying to execute the strategy but you have all the tools and knowledge to get the job done, raids are supposed to be hard, they're the final activity, the last frontier, if they were easy there'd be no sense of accomplishment

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  • 작성자: More Power 8/30/2018 7:43:51 PM
    [quote]raids are supposed to be hard, they're the final activity, the last frontier, if they were easy there'd be no sense of accomplishment[/quote] We can certainly agree on that. D1's raids were a good model to build on. Loved 'em. Did hundreds (current and deleted characters). The current 6-man mechanics requirement in D2 is different. What this means is... if you didn't get into a raid group early when everyone was new, not many are willing to teach (even those new players who watched hours of vids trying to learn the 6-man mechanics). That's the biggest difference between D1 raids and D2 raids. In our D1 clan, even the newest/greenest person could go with us - with or without having watched vids.

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  • "Some people like strikes, and they want light level to matter so strikes aren't always a sweat fest that are often not doable with 2 casual random blueberries." Strikes not doable? "Just about everyone wants to raid, but can't because of the overly complicated 6-man mechanics." Can't do raids? This game sounds too hard for you man. You should probably find something else to play.

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  • Oh contrare.. Did a crap ton of HM/Challenge Mode raids in D1, when counting current and deleted characters. I did a solo Nightfall last evening in D1. We had a dedicated raid team of about 20 people in D1. Took many noobs through too. Most of that original group don't even play D2 anymore. Had ~60K kills in the D1 crucible, when counting current and deleted characters. But, you may be right... I guess D2 is just too hard. So, just tell people to find something else to play. Many have done just that. Great business model... ;|

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  • I played a lot of D1 as well. I thought you were talking about D2. You talked about mechanics that are too hard and you haven't even tried. I'm not a fan of a lot of things that Bungie does, but I like raiding and doing endgame stuff, so that doesn't stop me from doing it. If it weren't for raids I wouldn't play this game.

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