The suppression idea would not make No Backup Plans useless because NBP only activates Force Barrier on kill. Plus Titans have low melee range so getting close enough to suppress an enemy, especially a supered one is a high risk high reward scenario. People getting suppressed inside the bubble woukd not make them useless. It will teach them to stay away from it or wait for the defender to leave An indestructible bubble would not negate bad bubble positions. Putting good bubble positions can already punish the user so this argument isn't viable. A mobile bubble would most likely be able to have people shoot outside of it.

[quote]The suppression idea would not make No Backup Plans useless because NBP only activates Force Barrier on kill. Plus Titans have low melee range so getting close enough to suppress an enemy, especially a supered one is a high risk high reward scenario.[/quote] NBP works on kill right. It uses the melee to do it. You want melee replace with suppress. If there dead no need to suppress = useless. [quote]People getting suppressed inside the bubble woukd not make them useless. It will teach them to stay away from it or wait for the defender to leave[/quote] My point. No way to challenge. Can't super it can't place a nade in it. It "oh he poped a bubble let's tap out foot till it runs out" control, trials, salvage, and mayhem would become unbalanced in favor of a defender. [quote]An indestructible bubble would not negate bad bubble positions. Putting good bubble positions can already punish the user so this argument isn't viable.[/quote] I see a lot of defenders just drop there bubble anywhere when they are about to die that's bad usage. It also means all supers are useless to combat it. In control pop bubble on zone = no way to stop you from capping. You no longer have to account for what's on other team and what supers have been used. It's pop bubble = removes all risk where your at. [quote]A mobile bubble would most likely be able to have people shoot outside of it.[/quote] Again did you even think about this? Would work in PVE. But in PVP it will be a moving army of unstoppable players. think about it 3 players in bubble they can shoot you and you can't shoot back. They could move around the map killing any one before they even get close enough to deal with them. Way OP. I can see it now in IB 2 titians one on zone a one zone b that's 3 ppl per zone no way to contest. In rift guy A takes spark titian bubble walks him to rift. In trials just wate till zone cap A pop on zone = no one can get to you or B pop away from zone and shoot people on zone. Will lead to every game bubbles well be all that anyone uses.

I didn't say to replace Force Barrier with Suppression. It would be an added benefit to the melee. Hit = Suppression. Kill = Force Barrier Why do you need to be able to challenge a defender? If they are inside their bubble there is nothing they can do on the outside. Ignoring them is already the better choice since it has no drawbacks, and the Defender can't do anything inside of his/her bubble. You didn't even address how easily good bubble positions can be countered. And indestructible bubble would make it so that there is ah higher risk high reward type scenario. Right now it is low risk high reward. My apoligies for not expanding on the movable bubble. There would be a hole in the bubble wherever the Titan is looking, where they or their allies could shoot through. But enimes would also be able to shoot through this hole. And Defneder surely will not be the only class that people use. Even after the nerf to Hunters, there is still no shortage of them. Even after the nerfs to both Thorn and Last Word, they still saw a lot of usage. And even after Dragonsbreath got buffed, it was still used very little. Defender will not be OP. And even if it is, Bungie can fix it. The ideas that I came up with do not have to be exactly what is implemented, but a starting point for Bungie to work off of. Edit: Also one of these ideas would be fine to implement. If all of them were implemented, I could see how that would be overpowered, but one would be balanced.

So hit = other player can't jump away, throw a nade, hit back? Might as well just make it a one hit. Think now you get to hit and suppress than shotgun and get extra shield. Also it's 2 abilities in one. Why do you need to be able to challenge a defender? In control you may need to stop them from capping a zone. In trials stop a revive or capping a zone. In salvage stop from deploying/disabling a probe. That's a few. Some times I challenge others I say not worth it. Your asking for "pop bubble = nothing can stop me". This is chess not checkers. Good bubble placement can be great. Can make it hard to challenge. Almost any solo placement is bad. You after making that better? Well then it becomes OP when not alone. If you drop your bubble on zone B, with out accounting for 1. Am I alone? 2. What supers do the other team have? 3. How many opponents are at/near the zone? That's bad placement. [quote]My apoligies for not expanding on the movable bubble. There would be a hole in the bubble wherever the Titan is looking, where they or their allies could shoot through. But enimes would also be able to shoot through this hole.[/quote] Again no thought. Titian turns his head all teammates shoots get block. So if they are not in you fireteam you become a hindrance to any random in PVP. Lets not forget the trolling potential in PVE to randoms. Unless the hole is the whole side of the bubble it becomes a moveable head glitch in PVP (really? We need more head glitches?). Contestable by only top snipers. [quote]Defender will not be OP. And even if it is, Bungie can fix it.[/quote] Mobil head glitch? Ability to take any spot on a map with no worrie? 3 suppressing abilities (melee, 2 nades with exotic) and over shield? I'm sorry what's your definition of OP? And the last "bungie can fix it". Really? Do I even need to point out why that statement is wrong? The ideas you came up with (in my opinion) are not even a good starting point. What are you going for? Suggest overly OP ideas and hope bungie will make them just a little OP ideas and do them to have the class way over nurfed when "they fix it?

It honestly will not be that bad and there's no way for you to know if they will be as bad as you are making them out to be. At this point in Destiny's lifespan, a small change to this subclass can only give positive effects. Just because you want to point out every worse case scenario for everything, does not mean that something is OP. If I said that Defenders should be able One shot body shot with a sniper, you would complain about that too. And suppression does not stop you from meleeing. If you really really believe that my ideas are so bad and unbalanced, then come up with your own ideas that are much better and actually noticable. Until you can I won't take you seriously. You can point out everything that's wrong if you want, but unless you provide solutions, it really doesn't do much. I'm trying to create a solution to a problem and all that you do is complain about something that isn't even in the game yet. Good for you.

But, your not providing a solution to a problem. Defenders (as viewed by most of the public) don't have a problem. What you are doing is providing buffs based on your play style. Witch from what I can gather is using defender as a offenses class and not a defenses class like it was made to be. There have been other ideas I have supported. Sorry I don't support yours. An the excuse "just do it we can always take it out" should never be used to justify a idea. Update to add it update to remove it update to fix what got broke by the update and so on. I really don't want to update every day just because you want to "test" your idea. You always have to look at the cons of a idea before doing it. That's all I'm doing. My views are not worse case scenario. They are what it will lead to. Every one in this game seeks out the OP any thing and use it till bungie nurfs it. And when bungie nurfs it they way over do it.

These are not based on my playstyle, they are based on ways to balance the Defender and make it comparable to the other subclasses. Bungie themselves said that they want all of the subclasses around the 1.0 kd mark. And tye recent graph shows that Defenders are at the bottom and are farthest from that mark. Which should, by their logic, constitute as a reason to buff them. If you don't like my ideas for whatever reason, then provide your own or fix them. I can agree that they aren't perfect, but brainstorming is better than doing nothing at all. The same with taking action. If one does not take action, then nothing will be done. And I will not stop until this problem is addressed. Instead of wasting your time arguing, you should be using your time improving this game. Because improvements are needed.

And people wonder why bungie does not like to show why they do things. 1 graph in 1 play mode does not mean the whole class is useless. It's where it is on the graph due to it's roll in the game, support FOR YOUR TEAM (not just you) to hold down a area. Some improvement may be needed but your ideas are overdoing it. I just (in another post) supported the immoblus to be buffed for shoots to pass through the bubble. It's a defenders shoot gun. This small change would help defenders survive people charging there bubble with out being to OP. would help and still take some skill to use. Some one presenting the negative way a change will affect something is part of the brainstorming process. Also when I play as a defender I tend to stay around 1.0 k/d. Why can't you?

Who says that Bungie doesn't like to show why they do things? They literally expalin why they are doing a specific change in their patch notes. And I never said that the class is useless. You just constantly have to try to make things sound worse then they really are. If my ideas are overdoing it then what would be doing it right? Please explain. Everytime I've asked, you havn't been able to. And the Immobius buff doesn't count because that is a weapon buff, not a class buff. Of course there would be negatives to everything. I don't expect these things to be the exact things that are implemented, but something similar couold work. I main a Defneder and know how to use it effectively. Getting 1.2 KDs or higher. I've even gone flawless with it multiple times. So don't go criticizing me about KD and skill when you don't even know the truth.

So you already 1.2 k/d with a defender. That's above the 1.0 bungie wants. Your where they want you. Now your "buffs" while helping weaker players would push you even higher with your "main class". That right there shows your true motives. I have not offered a change to the class because I done feel it needs ones. It's low spot on the graph is a reflection of most people don't use it right. Or use the bubble in stupid ways. When I use it I can't think of one thing I'd change that would not be unfair to to others. Where it is now it fits what I'm doing when I uses it. I get it's your favorite class but why just because of that do you think it should outshine others. EDIT: Also most of your changes don't take into account for more than 1 titian in a game. Already you get 3 defenders in a game working with each other is hard to deal with. Bubbles stacked on bubbles makes it impossible (with out a lot of luck) to kill them. 3 buffs applied (WOL, AOL, BOL) makes any one who walks through the bubble really hard to stop. And let's not forget the unlimited orbs to give the 3 other players there supers back to back. For example your "moveing bubble" would mean we can't even stay away.

The graph shows average kds for layers in 6v6. Bungie wants the average kds at 1.0. Average is different from single players. The graph points out that Defneders do need a change. Just because you think that it doesn't, that does not mean that that is the truth. Even one of the best Defenders, JMPDoulblex, says that they need a buff. I linked the video in this post. And some of his ideas on how to buff it are similar to mine and I made the reddit post before the video. I don't want it buffed just because it is my favorite class. I want it buffed because it fits with Bungies idea of bringing it to an average of 1.0 kd and it needs a buff. Any game with multiple of the same subclass is annoying or powerful. It should not just be limited to Defenders even if they are buffed.

And just because you think they need to be buffed does not mean it's true as well. Like I said. Your ideas are overdoing it. Would allow defenders to tip balance heavy in there favor just for piping there bubble. I said maybe something needs to be done but I can't think of any thing that would not break the class. I also can't think of a way to tweak your ideas with out loosing stuff the defenders already have. Go back to the drawing board and think some more. Also in this game (in a 6v6 mode) no class can even compleat with what defenders can do with just 2 or 3 of them. You want buffs with no compromise. You have to trade something. Moving bubble =much shorter time. Shoot out = only primary + loss of some damage. Again problem is most players try to run offense with a defenses class. Stupidity in the use of a class should not = buff that class. I've tryed to explain why your ideas won't work. Gave reasons why and how it will be abused. You don't care. It's just "I want it. Do it" and "people won't abuse it" Small changes would be best. Not changing the entire way the class is just because you (and a few elites) "think it needs help" Have a nice day. And I wish you luck in thinking of new ideas.

You must not have seen the graph or noticed the typical Defender. Compare Defender woth any other subclass and people will generally claim that the other class is better or easier to use. If every class has a higher ease of use than Defender then that means that the Defender needs to have the same ease of use as the other subclasses. These buffs won't neccessarily tip balance and there is no way of knowing if they will or not because it hasn't been tried yet. Like I said. Multiple of any subclass is as annoying or powerful if not more than multiple Defenders and it shoukd not be limited to them. I said that Bungie should build off of these buffs so they would most likely implement tradeoffs to them. You say that people use the class with stupidity, but the same could be done with other classes. And even if you use the class well, it can still have drawbacks and the super can still be easily countered. You tell me to think of new and better ideas but can't come up with any yourself. The amount of hypocrisy is real. I don't want these buffs or any buffs just to have them. I want them because it falls in line with Bungie's philosophy and it needs buffs. These ideas do not neccesarily have to change the way the whole class works because that hasnever happened for any other clsss that has been nerfed or buffed. People still play it the same way and play styles, for the most part, don't change.

[quote]You must not have seen the graph or noticed the typical Defender. Compare Defender woth any other subclass and people will generally claim that the other class is better or easier to use. If every class has a higher ease of use than Defender then that means that the Defender needs to have the same ease of use as the other subclasses.[/quote] 1 graph that covers a few weeks. You have no idea what over all k/d for defenders are. Just what it was that month. Your not even giving enough time to see if the changes to the other classes affect the defender. It just "do it now" [quote]These buffs won't neccessarily tip balance and there is no way of knowing if they will or not because it hasn't been tried yet.[/quote] I have gave example of this. Bubble on cap zone = garenteed cap (no way to destroy it even with a super). Moving bubble=Mobil head-glitch. Window to shoot out = all use in current raid killed (warpreist and golgoroth can shoot in). And so on. But, you don't care to hear them [quote]Like I said. Multiple of any subclass is as annoying or powerful if not more than multiple Defenders and it shoukd not be limited to them. [/quote] I've been in lots of games with 3 night stakers, 3 self rez, 3 strikers, hell 3 or 4 of any other class and non = 3 defenders once the first bubble hits the ground. [quote]I said that Bungie should build off of these buffs so they would most likely implement tradeoffs to them.[/quote] Then we would hear how your mad over how they did it, and want to keep the "buffs" and get back what was taken. [quote]You say that people use the class with stupidity, but the same could be done with other classes. And even if you use the class well, it can still have drawbacks and the super can still be easily countered.[/quote] Maybe so (I don't see it). But you want the defenders super to have no counter or only 1 thing that can counter it. If it's unbreakable all supers are useless. If it suppress people that go in it only GG and nova work any more. You want no drawbacks when using defender. (Breakable=drawback, non-moveable=drawback) [quote]You tell me to think of new and better ideas but can't come up with any yourself. The amount of hypocrisy is real. I don't want these buffs or any buffs just to have them. I want them because it falls in line with Bungie's philosophy and it needs buffs.[/quote] No hypocrisy. I have said I CANT THINK OF ANY THING I WOULD WANT TO CHANGE (can you read that part now). It's not I can't come up with ideas it's nothing I feel needs to be changed with out breaking balance. [quote]These ideas do not neccesarily have to change the way the whole class works because that hasnever happened for any other clsss that has been nerfed or buffed. People still play it the same way and play styles, for the most part, don't change.[/quote] And they have all been small little tweaks. Not complete changes to the super like your after. So I mean really. You have not even looked at it from any other point of view than "make it unstoppable". Ever thought Maybe it's not the class that needs a buff but the armor that supports it. Maybe not the super it's self but how the buffs it gives you work? Or maybe all the people that pop there bubble then try to strafe in and out with a sniper while 3 people are aiming at them need to rethink there tatitic. How do you buff a class that won't make people like me and you (that know how to use them) unstoppable killers? Have you even thought your looking at what you see as a problem from the wrong angle? Nope it's just "I get a 1.2 k/d already. If I get them to buff this I can hit a 2.0."

The graph does only show data from a few weeks, but if you remember from the December update, the Defenders were in a similar spot kd wise. This isn't a coincidence. It shows that Defenders have always had that average low kd. Your examples are showing scenarios that really do have little impact on the game. You don't NEED to stop a Defender from capping a point because once the bubble goes away, it can be capped again and the Defender can't do anything to anyone while inside his bubble unless someone else goes in (High risk, high reward) or if they go out of the bubble (again high risk high reward, since he is leaving the safety of his bubble). The Warpriest ex. doesn't matter because he will already be staggered and won't be able to shoot and Golgorath will focus on the one that took his gaze. 3 or more of any class can spam things just as well as Defender can. And when Defender even puts up a bubble, you can easily ignore it or avoid it, while with other supers chaining, it isn't as easy. Exactly. You see no way that a class other than Defender can be used with stupidity. If Defender is the only class that can be used with stupidity then that means that there is something wrong with the class. There isn't a need to counter a bubble or at least as much as there is for other supers. Using GG or any other super is more effective against multiple enemies or an aggressive super than a bubble that can literally do nothing to you. You can't think of anything that you want to change but that doesn't mean that it doesn't need change. You can't tell me to come up with better ideas without doing so yourself. I am not after complete changes to the super. I am asking for it to be buffed in a way that it is a more viable option. And I have looked at it from multiple point of views. It will not be unstoppable because there will still be counters or drawbacks. I get 1.2 kds regularly and higher with good games. My playstlye or skill with the class will most likely not change if it gets buffed which is the same with any class. Buffs and nerfs have not affected the skill or playstyle of the players that used the thing that got buffed or nerfed.

Because people try to use it as a OFFENSES CLASS that it was not made to be. Really. In a game mode that is about HOLDING the zones you want people to just ignore the defender (that was stupid enough to try and cap a zone alone). Really. What about the zone in trials? What about the spark in rift? There are lots of reasons to shut down a bubble. A window where you can shoot out and stuff can shoot in? Maybe KF raid was a bad example. But Athion? Any ad on a night fall? Almost any boss in a strike? It just makes no sense. [quote]3 or more of any class can spam things just as well as Defender can. And when Defender even puts up a bubble, you can easily ignore it or avoid it, while with other supers chaining, it isn't as easy.[/quote] This. Really think about it for a min. How is titians spamming bubbles for unlimited orbs so EVERY ONE ON THE TEAM can spam there supper even equal. You can stay back from the bubble BUT NOT THE 3 OTHER SUPERS chasing you. No other class can do this in PVP. And once the defenders start its almost impossible to stop it. 3 stack bubbles can take a blast from every supper. Even if you do kill one or 2 defenders the unlimited orbs just means they re spawn with there super to start it again. All classes can be used dumbly. Arc blade on a FOH titian stupid for example. Every class has it drawback. And every supper can be used in a stupid way. [quote]There isn't a need to counter a bubble or at least as much as there is for other supers. Using GG or any other super is more effective against multiple enemies or an aggressive super than a bubble that can literally do nothing to you.[/quote] There is a need to counter every super. That bubble used wisely could be the difference in winning or losing. Just like every super. That bubble can lock a area down take zones even when timed right save you from another super. Just because you pop a bubble does not mean you should be "left alone". That bubble and the buff it provides to your team is a threat. And should be delt with like any other super. [quote]You can't think of anything that you want to change but that doesn't mean that it doesn't need change. You can't tell me to come up with better ideas without doing so yourself.[/quote] Let's try this again. It's not just me a lot of people thinks it fine. Just because you don't does not mean it needs it needs to change. I can tell you to come up with better ideas. Those would make the class OP. Remember I THINK THE CLASS IS IN A GOOD PLACE. So why do I need to think of better ideas to change it? Your wanting the change not me. That makes it YOUR PLACE to think of what you want changed not every ones else. Think of something less OP or stupid. Even throw I like it as is if you come up with a good idea I'll keep a open mind about it. The ideas you have presented here are COMPLEAT CHANGES to what the class was made for. They are to much. You can't even think of what you would trade to have them. I have gave examples of how the ideas are OP of how they would be used. You can't even think of a way to counter those points. It's only "no it would no". So why not. Bubble made unbreakable. Tell me how this does not null all other supers and leaves no way to counter it. And I don't want to hear "you should ignore the bubble" you should never leave a enemy strong hold in tact if you have the means to destroy it. TOU SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED just because you popped a bubble. Re think the ideas. INCLUDE the trade offs. Include ways/restrictions to keep it from being abused. AND DONT NEGATE EVERY OTHER CLASSES SUPER. There must be a way to counter it (as with all supers). Take the examples I have given you, use that thing between your ears, and come up with a way to keep then from happening other than "it just won't". Till then you have no leg to stand on.

Okay, so I guess if an offensive class plays defendsively, they will play poorly right? Wrong, an offensive class can play defensively and still be used well while apparently if Defender plays offensively, they will play poorly. If all of the other classes can play both ways and stll perform well while Defender can only play one way to play well, that should constitute a need for change to be equal to the other classes. The need to counter a bubble is not as much as the need to counter other supers. In most cases a more lethal super like Stormcaller is a better use of the super then on a Defender. As for putting Bubbles on objectives. They can already be countered easily without supers at all, especially on objectives. The "unlimited orb" system got nerfed so orbs aren't as potent if more of them are made so that when multiple orbs are made they are reduced in super energy gained, so the multiple Defender strategy isn't even really a viable choice. Even having 6 Defenders isn't that effective. Try the strategy yourself and you'll see that it isn't as effective as it used to be. The supers that are chasing you will still come at you only so often and the bubble strategy is a rare occurence in the first place and I doubt there will be an increase of it if Defenders do get buffed. I can give you three reasons for why the Defender needs a buff. The graph that Bungie showed. An expert's opinion. And the Stats for Defender on websites like guardian.gg. You think that the class is in a good place, but statistics and experts point in the other direction. The changes that I offered are a starting point to work off of and I wouldn't expect those exact changes to be implemented. Even if they were implemented as described, that wouldn't neccessarily brearess. The Defender already has a way of negating enemy supers through Suppression grenade and it isn't overpowered at all so removing that would be rediculous. I guarantee that if the Defender were buffed it would still be counterable. I don't SEE how I could read something with my ears. And I don't have a leg to stand on I have two. Edit: More detailed version of reddit post: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/207656233?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1

What ever kid. I'm done with you. The class does not need big changes Like your after. Just because so twit streams to twitch does not make him a expert because you look up to him. It does not give them the right to say "I knows what's best do this". Sorry you little "elite wannabes" don't get to speak for every one. All your after is a buff to your "main class" so you can do better with it. You want see a point from any other view it's only "the class" that's broken. You sill have not provided any ways to counter the examples I provided. And no one here cares what your little twits at reddit want. I have already pointed hog reddit is corrupt and bias. Just because it's posts there does not mean "it needs to be done".

You need to learn the facts first. JMPDoublex doesn't stream, he does YouTube and if you check his stats, you can see that he has an average kd of 3.0+. Yours is 1.2. I can guarantee that he knows way more aboit the class than you do. Him saying that Defenders need a buff is just an added fuel to the fire. The icing on the cake. Whenever one brings up arguments, numbers and experts are their best friend. You didn't bring either. I don't want a buff just to help me do better. I want a buff to bring the balance to the game that Bungie seems like it's after. And you are the one that told me to try to fix my buffs. I tried to do that in the link above and you still aren't satisfied. I couldn't make the drawbacks any more "balanced" without destroying the Defender class in the process. I did my part. I did what you requested but it seems like no matter what I do you won'tbe satisfied.

Why is it every one thinks k/d is the end all be all. "I have a better k/d than you so I know what's best for every one". He's bias to his "main class" and so are you. Only in your select group does k/d matter. Yea mins a 1.2 you know why? Half the time I just run around doing stupid stuff. Playing with random guns random perks. HAVING FUN. If I feel the need to put my try hard pants on I will do so. Unlike "your friend" I don't sit day in day out in PVP. Using the same guns, same perks, same class. Sit in trials farming k/d on "less skilled" players. Put low rank people in my fire team to by pass SBMM so I can raise my k/d more. And I don't cry for a buff to my "main class" just so I can farm k/d even more. So I can say "my k/d is 3.0 you should like me on YouTube". Sorry your "friend" does not know what's best for me. And should not say what I or any of the rest of us want.

I'm not using KD as an end l be all. You said that JMP is a twit but he has much better stats than you do. JMP has fun playing around with different weapons too. Have you not seen any of his videos? Like I said learn the fscts before you post an ignorant comment. He isn't typoically saying what you specifically wants. He is giving an opinion. It's something that everyone does, including yourself.

[quote]I'm not using KD as an end l be all. You said that JMP is a twit but he has much better stats than you do.[/quote] And that means what? He cares how you view him. You equaled his k/d to being a "expert". Then Pointed to my 1.2 and "inferred" I must not know any thing. Stats only have the value you apply to them. People farm k/d every day. Does that make them "experts" [quote]JMP has fun playing around with different weapons too. Have you not seen any of his videos? Like I said learn the fscts before you post an ignorant comment.[/quote] Not ignorant. How much time is "try hard" and "having fun". I record one video of me playing around. Then spend 4 hours "farming k/d". Is the opposite of what I do. I know how big my (yea um) is. I don't feel the need to whip it out all the time. [quote]He isn't typoically saying what you specifically wants. He is giving an opinion. It's something that everyone does, including yourself.[/quote] Yes it's his opinion. I happen to think it's wrong. Did I say he should not say it. No. Do I think he should send a bunch of mindless followers to force his ideas in the rest of us. No. People do this all the time (government officials mainly and movie stars). They plant the idea with the tag line "would this be better". And let there supporters go out force it on people. Then later they come back and say "see the people want it". He gave his opinion bungie heard it. His followers and "friends" not need to beat it into people's heads till they support it or give up. Like what you are trying to do to me. "My opinion and my view" let people make up there owns minds. Stop trying to force change you want right now. Give your view and let bungie decide. It is there game.

Again. I only pointed out his kd in relation to yours because you insulted him and gave false information. He doesn't tryhard at all. If you watch one of his videos, you can see that he is mostly playing around and having fun. Again giving false information. An opinion cannot be wrong. You can disagree with one, but it can't be wrong. For example, the Holocaust was a good thing. You can eadsily disagree with this, but depending on your point of view, you may see it differently. I am letting Bungie decide, arguing ith you is just a nice pastime.

[quote]Again. I only pointed out his kd in relation to yours because you insulted him and gave false information.[/quote] I give you credit for tying defending you "friend". But, you said he is a "expert" and based that off his k/d. Then inferred that because my was lower "I knew nothing" [quote]He doesn't tryhard at all. If you watch one of his videos, you can see that he is mostly playing around and having fun. Again giving false information.[/quote] When he is recording a video. Bits and clips here and there. What's he doing the other times he is not recording. If he has a 3.0 k/d he is tryharding somewhere. [quote]An opinion cannot be wrong. You can disagree with one, but it can't be wrong. For example, the Holocaust was a good thing. You can eadsily disagree with this, but depending on your point of view, you may see it differently. I am letting Bungie decide, arguing ith you is just a nice pastime.[/quote] So you think the holocaust was a good thing? (LOL just had to). Maybe wrong is the "wrong" word. "Miss informed" is that better? Your not letting bungie decide. Your beating people into supporting your opinion or pushing them to the point they give in and go away so you can have the change you want. Then you and your friend will scream at bungie "make this change people want and support it". I'm just the only one willing to stand up to people like you who "think they know what's best"

First off. I may be a fan of JMP butn he isn't my friend. It's not like I've talked to him or soemthing. I'm only defending him and showed his kd because you called him a twit and a tryhard when he is neither of those things. The bits and pieces that he removee from his videos are slower parts so that the video is more enjoyable to watch. Just because someone has a high kd, that doesn not make them a tryhard. And even if he is a tryhard, there isn't anything wrong with that. The phraee itself is very stupid if you think about it. Why wouldn't someone try their hardest? You want them to give minimal or no effort at all? The halocaust thing was an example. Just to show that people can have different opinions on things. I personally don't think that it was a good thing but I know that there are several people that think otherwise. And when I "push" people to giving up, that is me arguing my points because I am passionate about it. It is better for me when they give up the argument then if I give it up something that I truly believe in. Everyone argues and giving up an argument is not my style.