You realize the bible can not be used in an argument as it is largely falsified? The bible is not evidence of anything, other than an organization that wants to control people. What do you mean the church has nothing to with the bible? The original church wrote the bible. If hell were real, myself and all of the other free thinkers will be happy together as we will finally be freed of nuisances like yourself.

[quote]You realize the bible can not be used in an argument as it is largely falsified? [b]Go ahead and give citations. Otherwise you are spewing your own propaganda. When we are having an argument that has anything to do with the bible, I [u]CAN[/u] quote the bible. That's logic 101. [/b] The bible is not evidence of anything, other than an organization that wants to control people. [b]Sounds like more propaganda, again citations are needed. [/b] What do you mean the church has nothing to with the bible? [b]I never said it had nothing to do with the bible, I said church (and your accusation of it trying to control people) had nothing to do with the verse I quoted, showing why Jesus died for us[/b]. The original church wrote the bible. [b]Once again you are incredibly wrong. The bible is a collection of books that were written over hundreds of years. [/b] If hell were real, myself and all of the other free thinkers will be happy together as we will finally be freed of nuisances like yourself.[/quote] [b]Your views of hell are so skewed it's so laughable[/b]. You must [b][u]REALLY[/u][/b] love getting out in your place. Thanks for proving my point though, all you're doing is mindlessly bashing the opposing view because you don't understand it, you are an idiot.

I understand better than you m8. You are just caught up in the comfort of it to see. The bible as it is now, has been heavily edited by the church to create the version they want to share. The bible is not fact. It can not be used as such. What do not get about that? Do you think anyone would be a Christian if there wasn't an easy way out? That is where confession comes in. You certainly wouldn't be a Christian. You would have been damned already and decided to stop believing. Nobody would be a Christian because everyone knows they would be damned without it. How do you not see that? Confession is an easy way out implemented by the church to ensure its followers stay.

[quote]I understand better than you m8. You are just caught up in the comfort of it to see. The bible as it is now, has been heavily edited by the church to create the version they want to share. [b]I'm still not seeing your sources, the only thing that has ever been edited in the bible is the formal way of talking. [/b] http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-corrupted.html The bible is not fact. It can not be used as such. [b]I would believe you, if the bible didn't talk about cities that were thought to never exist, yet years later they were found. Proving the bible does indeed have factual backing to it. [/b] What do not get about that? Do you think anyone would be a Christian if there wasn't an easy way out? [b]So then, let's talk about the Christians that existed before the church gained power. (I already know you have no idea what I'm talking about, Christians before the church?!?!?!! How absurd is that?!?!?!)Yet Christians existed after Jesus death and these people existed for quite some time before the formal church was ever created, and with these people is where confession was created because Jesus died for all of humanities sins. (Yours included[/b]) That is where confession comes in. You certainly wouldn't be a Christian. You would have been damned already and decided to stop believing. Nobody would be a Christian because everyone knows they would be damned without it. How do you not see that? Confession is an easy way out implemented by the church to ensure its followers stay.[/quote] We are all born with original sin, so yeah without confession we would all be dammed. But your views on confession and where it originated are completely wrong. Someone has misguided you, and hard at that.

You missed the moral of the story again. The religion as it has been ever since it became an organized body has been a tool for controlling people, whether or not the followers are aware of that or not. They have got you brainwashed real well. Just because a work of literature makes reference to real locations and events does not mean it is fact. Lets look at the Wolfenstein Series of games. It takes place after WWII, and several factual historical references are made. It takes place in several locations known to exist and it makes reference to them. Does that mean it is fact? Absolutely not. The bible may in fact reference locations that were known to exist at the time, but lost to cultures later on. This is not uncommon. Does that mean the rest of what it contains are plausible, especially when they are illogical? No. You have got nothing m8. You just run in circles and circles.

Yet I'm running in circles but you can't link any actual sources to prove your point, I can and I did. All you have to say us that I've been brainwashed into thinking the way I do, yet you don't understand that I can say the same exact thing to you. So who's going in circles again? Also your analogy is bad. It would make sense, but the bible was created and meant to be factual, while that game was meant to be fictional. You can't win in an argument, when you don't even understand the opposing view so stop trying. I've beaten you countless times. Now stop.

You are f[b]u[/b]cking moron. Blind. The bible is not fact. It was not written to be fact. You can not state it was, you did not write it. The contents of it show that it is not fact. You have not posted a single valid source. You do not even know what a valid source would be. You have not won a single argument on this website ever. I do not even hate you for your beliefs. I hate you because you are a f[b]u[/b]cking moron. You are absolutely clueless. You have no idea about anything. You are just confused and angry and need a place to vent. You can not provide a single logical argument. You have never provided a single valid argument. It is pathetic. I done talking to walls.