[quote]Well, they are going with Light and Dark are literally the same and the traveller and veil were once one thing which is such a slap in the face to 10 years of culmination.[/quote] Deeply troubling misread. You entirely misunderstood the story. [quote]But without playing Season of the Deep how would you know what the Witness is or what even the Veil really is or what the Witness intends with it?[/quote] Without playing since Taken King, how would you know who Savathuun is how she took over Osiris' body? Because there was a cutscene that explained it. [quote]>introduce new characters near the climatic conclusion of a major arc and wonder why no-one gave a crap about that one cloud dude that died. Other guy will be forgotten to since he is a destination vendor. Neomuna simply existing is bad story telling and the way they just sort of gloss over it is hilariously bad. [/quote] D1: vanilla and 4 expacs. 5 chapters D2: vanilla and 2 expacs. 3 chapters. Forsaken and annual pass: 4 chapters Shadowkeep thru Witch Queen: 5 chapters a year. 15 chapters. Lightfall is Chapter 28. It's seasons are 29-32. The ending is Chapter 33. Final Shape. Lightfall FINALLY plainly states what Light and Dark are. Lightfall FINALLY starts to hint at what The Black Heart from D1 was. Lightfall FINALLY reveals the fully active power of Ishtar Collective golden age tech. And Lightfall also explained, thru the year long story included in Lightfall, the danger of the Veil, plus why and how we haven't found it before. The people and city of Neomuna are the answers to many, many years of buildup and hypothesizing. You are framing it in every way possible to be "insufficient" when your premise is tortured and your arguments are desperately married to bad-faith reductions. [quote]Then the story of "tHe PyRAmiDS aRe CoMIn!!!!" which has now led to them promptly leaving AGAIN with a whole "well just play the seasons and we'll explain!!!" which feels more like they haven't got a clue where to take the story. The story also has no weight and no stakes.[/quote] The pyramids have not left. Another elementary level misread. [quote]Here is a decent question that'll never be answered... if the Witness is just a singular entity that merged why does it need thousands of pyramid ships? Then when he actually does show up he only has like 6 ships?[/quote] They are monuments to its conquest and vessels of clarified darkness, the psychic powers of trillions of dead. They're like eldritch batteries. [quote]Lightfall fails because its chooses not to answer any questions in its narrative.[/quote] It did. But you misunderstood plain, clear details. This is your fault. [quote]In a separately paid for season which is even worse than just not answering the questions at all.[/quote] I literally covered this you midwit. Seasonal stories get covered in the next expansion. You either choose to ignore clearly established precedent or don't know. Both are your own fault. [quote]Veil - not explained yet Osiris screams at you like its urgent[/quote] Osiris understands that The Witness created the Hive by deceiving them. He has the brain necessary to understand that if The Witness wants something, it's not good to let it have it. He says this in the first mission. You missed it. This is the most basic possible storytelling and you missed it. Stop the villain from doing what it wants. [quote]Cloud Strider dude 1 - Don't care he died Witness - Wanted Calus to destroy the veil and link to it but not really Cloud Strider dude 2 - Annoying, irrelevant and thankfully relegated to destination vendor so will be forgotten about[/quote] You didn't like them. Not the same as bad btw : ) [quote]Neomuna - All the people conveniently in cryo pods and in a digital space(and are safe so again no stakes) yet the Shadow Legion never attacks where these cryo pods are or directly attack the digital space.[/quote] "The most advanced human city of all time should needlessly endanger its citizens and have no safety mechanisms." Lol. "The Shadow Legion should deliberately disobey the orders of The Witness and kill everyone while going off-task." Lol. "The Witness must only want to kill everyone, like every villain ever. It is unacceptable for it to be focused on a singular goal. If it doesn't kill everybody like Thanos from the only story I've ever paid attention to, it is not a good villain." Lol. The Vex also have been trying to invade the cloud arc for more than a century btw. Edit: also, just played Breakneck. That mission at the Cloudark, where the systems that defend Neomuni citizens are powered, is under attack by the Vex. Lo and behold... the Shadow Legion have rigged it to blow up. Again. A complete misread. [quote]Strand - The entire narrative was put around this rather than you know the main actual story? "You need to practice strand or you won't be able to beat Calus!!!!" well my normal powers worked just fine in the final boss fight.[/quote] You fundamentally misunderstand the story. The Witness developed and deployed dampening devices attuned to suppress our latent abilities to wield Solar, Arc, Void, and Stasis, all our /known/ powers. When we overcome the dampening devices, they are no longer deployed, because they are no longer effective. This is the most basic level of storytelling. You missed it. [quote]Osiris - Equally annoying guy that screams at you in very poorly done voice acting for no reason because... he can?[/quote] You found him annoying. He was endearing to me. He once said of an impossible mission that we "are equal to the task." His elevated language is a fun contrast exercise against Nimbus. But you don't like fun spritely characters. You don't like obsessed old mentors. So, you're plainly a miserable cynic. [quote]That's just narrative how about the recolored moon weapons? or the poorly designed missions? or the dunge- I mean raid that was such a pathetic joke with its mechanic literally just being a slight variation on the Spire of the Watcher dungeon mechanic? Gameplay of Neomuna is horrible with tanky enemies that hardly deal any damage to the player and grant the same rewards as any other patrol destination yet take longer to obtain.[/quote] Raid too easy destination too hard. Lol. Skill issue 😅 [quote] The expansion was more expensive than Witch Queen but delivered less on variety and interesting narrative. Just because they may -blam!- pull a narrative down the line in some audio log doesn't excuse the poor execution at launch and the campaign narrative having no understandable stakes.[/quote] Lightfall has a new subclass. Witch Queen did not. Lightfall Deluxe has the dungeon pass included in the price. WQ Deluxe owners got the key as a freebie, a privileged "try before you buy." You missed all of the basics of the storytelling, like the stakes, because a streamer told you it was bad. Then you wrote off everything interesting that it tried because a streamer told you it was bad. A different execution isn't a poor one. Your narrow expectations left you sad and angry. That's on you.

[quote]It's soooooo slow to me[/quote] TO feels slower and less consistently engaging.