Traveler=actual Gardener The Veil=link back to the Winnower The Veil is the memory of the universe, a physical manifestation of consciousness across existence The Light is the domain of the physical. That’s why the Gardener is the Traveler. It’s a way for the Gardener to physically traverse the Multiverse. The Dark is the domain of non-physical, consciousness. The Veil spawned out of no where and is a physical manifestation of all consciousness, so that includes consciousness dead or alive, or even, NON-PHYSICAL in the first place…something on the OTHER side… In the raid lore, a voice in the dark calls out for meaning and a voice replies saying “I will tell you of a Final Shape.” The Witness’s civilization as we know craved meaning. This is the Winnower replying, which is a non-physical “force” influencing the Darkness inherently… The Winnower is trying to punish the Gardener for what happened in the beginning of time, being the Gardener breaking the rules of the Game, and since it can’t do anything physically being a force of consciousness, it most likely created the Veil out of sheer thought, and looked for the “First Knife” which was the Witness’s civilization. And when that civilization looked into the Veil they learned of the Darkness and the “Truth in the Darkness”, which is the idea of the Final Shape, whispered to them by the Winnower. Perhaps in a future saga there is a way to resurrect the Winnower physically and kill him off for good, kind of like the Dark Lord in DOOM, where we have to resurrect his soul physically to end his ability to influence from the other side. Btw, this all implies the Witness’s civilization is the true dark mirror to the Guardians, and the Witness itself is the dark mirror to Guardians as a whole. The Traveler/Gardener and Veil/Winnower are in a game above us and the Witness.