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7/16/2022 8:08:15 AM
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Okay, you want to do this here.
A woman does have the right to choose. Choose who they allow to have s*x with them. What they don't have the right to choose is whether or not to kill another life because of their actions. Getting pregnant is the "consequence" of having s*x, and if you choose engage is said action, there is the possible chance you will get pregnant. Killing a baby because you chose to have s*x is not a human right. That's murder. I can choose to rob a bank, "my body, I can do what I want with it", but I must deal with the consequences of that action.
Before you say "ra** and inc***", I support their right to choose in these situations. They make up >1% of all abortion cases though.
So really, what is ignorant about this statement?
And also, how do you justify the killing of babies for the other 99%? Just simply, "ThEiR bOdY, tHeIr ChOiCe"? Okay lol.
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[quote]I'm from the USA and while I don't necessarily support abortion I don't feel I've the right to impose my beliefs on other Americans. Maybe in your country it is different[/quote] It's murder. Not a belief.
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[quote]Legally/criminally it isn't. Simply Ending human life isn't murder. Also you'd have to define "human life" As up to a point its technically not human. The fuzzy part is where that point is[/quote] Some say at conception, some say after birth. I'd argue it's somewhere in the middle, probably around the time it develops a heart beat.
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BrujaMalvadaにより編集済み: 7/16/2022 8:19:02 PM[quote]Getting pregnant is the "consequence" of having s*x, and if you choose engage is said action, there is the possible chance you will get pregnant. [/quote] What about the man in the picture? Pregnancy takes two, and if a man chooses to engage in s*x with a woman he is equally responsible for the pregnancy which may occur as a direct consequence. Should the man not also be obligated to that child and its future? To care for and support the woman through her pregnancy, and help her with any health consequences which may result? Function as the child's father?
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[quote][quote]Getting pregnant is the "consequence" of having s*x, and if you choose engage is said action, there is the possible chance you will get pregnant. [/quote] What about the man in the picture? Pregnancy takes two, and if a man chooses to engage in s*x with a woman he is equally responsible for the pregnancy which may occur as a direct consequence. Should the man not also be obligated to that child and its future? To care for and support the woman through her pregnancy, and help her with any health consequences which may result? Function as the child's father?[/quote] They are. They are required to provide child support until the child is 18. Suprised you didn't know that.
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Really? Every guy who gets a girl kn*cked up absolutely has to do his part? The woman has no options; the realities of biology mean she is "stuck" with the offspring. There is no such biological enforcement on the man, and the law doesn't seem to be too successful in holding men accountable, does it?
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What does that have to do with the actual father's responsibilities? Stop trying to divert the discussion --of course I am aware of what "child support" requirements are supposed to be. That doesn't mean that men are universally held accountable and that the law works every time. Pregnancy is absolute; the law is often a joke.
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[quote]Really? Every guy who gets a girl kn*cked up absolutely has to do his part? The woman has no options; the realities of biology mean she is "stuck" with the offspring. There is no such biological enforcement on the man, and the law doesn't seem to be too successful in holding men accountable, does it?[/quote] Correct. It's not a perfect system, but if the woman wants to keep the child and not give it up for adoption, the man is required to pay his part. If he doesn't, he sits in jail.
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He [b]should[/b] sit in jail. But does he always? No. Are child support violations a big priority of law enforcement? No. It appears that it's a civil contempt offense, usually resulting in short terms in local jail rather than prison (you can look that up). And some states consider failure to pay a misdemeanor rather than a felony, typically depending on the $$$ involved. See here: https://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/criminal-nonsupport-and-child-support.aspx. Look up Florida, what a joke. Five of every six custodial single parents (you can look that up too) are women. We can see who's getting scr*wed here, in more ways than one.
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[quote]He [b]should[/b] sit in jail. But does he always? No. Are child support violations a big priority of law enforcement? No. It appears that it's a civil contempt offense, usually resulting in short terms in local jail rather than prison (you can look that up). And some states consider failure to pay a misdemeanor rather than a felony, typically depending on the $$$ involved. See here: https://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/criminal-nonsupport-and-child-support.aspx. Look up Florida, what a joke. Five of every six custodial single parents (you can look that up too) are women. We can see who's getting scr*wed here, in more ways than one.[/quote] So, what is your solution? Kill the baby? How about adoption or foster care?
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[quote]You offered a bogus solution for the sake of argument, not me. I absolutely favor adoption over abortion. I also have compassion for a woman in a situation that no man will ever, ever face.[/quote] I have the compassion for the woman who were forced into the situation, not for the ones who chose to be in that situation.
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BrujaMalvadaにより編集済み: 7/17/2022 4:46:10 PMSo perhaps you can understand the issues when the pregnancy results from r*pe or inc*st? I'd hope so. Not all women who have s*x with men are choosing to be there, you know. Coercion can take many forms.
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[quote]So perhaps you can understand the issues when the pregnancy results from r*pe or inc*st? I'd hope so. Not all women who have s*x with men are choosing to be there, you know. Coercion can take many forms.[/quote] Yes, I stated that in the conversation already, but its a long one now so I understand if you missed that part!
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[quote]Sorry, that was in your exchange with Saint and that whole interchange was a bit too acerbic for me to follow in detail or spend brain cells to remember :-)[/quote] Yes it was mind numbing and honestly a waste of time lol.
