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Ryan Foxlingにより編集済み: 3/24/2022 7:58:52 AM
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The only fing I would nerf is aim assist on hand cannons, shoutguns are fine, fusion rifles are way oppressive in current state, they are always going to be meta because of versatile gameplay, ease of use and map design. 340 pulses, smg's with high zoom aren't worse if not better than hand cannons on certain maps. Shotguns are weak right now, people just don't know how to play pvp, that's why they just shotgun ape every time, I don't know why people expecting them not to be on top, a lot of players in this game are only capable to shoot dregs in patrol, they aren't going to try to use weapons that takes at least some effort to learn. I was a shotgun+hc main, but switched to a pulse+fusion 3 moths ago, the easiest loadout to use, takes no effort to be good with
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  • To add, fusions are just glorified shotguns. Both are easy to use. This is why when you take autos out of the equation during those 8 months, the top 4 weapons are hc, shotguns, snipers, fusions. I'm that order. I should also state snipers didn't surpass fusions on usage untill I hit the end of the revoker era. However both snipers and fusions after the revoker era had close usage rate. Being only about 2-4 tallies off reacher going to fusions. The excuse "shotguns are bad" isn't a good one when every stat shows them to be the #2 most chosen weapon type in the game for trials. 22.7% of all 910 top weapons in 91 weeks of trials were shotguns. If you take away everything from the revoker era and earlier, shotguns still come out in second place. I took breaks at weeks 80, 78, 56, 40, 29, 19. Between each break I figured which three consistently showed up and they were hc, shotgun, fusion, untill week 50 or so. Then it was hc, shotgun, sniper with fusion steadily decreasing in usage the closer I got to week 1. The whole argument is Bungie is willing to nerf everything that isn't handcannons and shotguns. Fusions have been also an issue but not as the top seeded pick rate. Dosnt mean it isn't an issue. Bows are getting a nerf, more precisely monarque, because it showed up 1 time at #10 on the meta report. People say it's due to aim assist, however it has the same aim assist as 7 other bows that arnt being used. The d.o.t isnt that much. It can push for one shots, however wish ender dose the same and sees through walls. What the post is getting at is Bungie has unfairly nerfed weapons in the past to subside and hone to hc and shotguns. They have been the top pick rate for years now and need to go. Be it by damage, slot changing or just making them feel so bad that people stop using them. Something has to be done otherwise the pvp state will not be good. Heck, I forgot about a week where trials was literally so empty, the highest killing weapon, which was hc btw, was barely over 1,000. Autos were barely 100.

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  • You can't say shotguns are fine when they have the second most pick rate

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  • Because people are genuinely bad? I'd rather play against shotguns than fusions or snipers, it's so easy to counter a shotgun user

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  • Not really. If a shotgunner wants to slide rush, they will get you. If your counter is "use x special/ability" then it isn't a real out. People should not have to be forced to slow play due to cqc based weapons. Which, yes shotguns and fusions are the major cause of slow play in pvp. Hiding inside rooms and blocking movement ways is a form of slow play. Atleast when it is long range, you can force them back by landing shots. They will be out and shootable. With shotguns and fusions, this isn't the case. They will hide and wait. Otherwise they will just run around with it out. (Which is why on my other comment to the other guy I stated what I want to happen, but why I didn't state it out in the form)

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  • I don't know what weapons are providing fast gameplay for you, snipers and bows? People are playing really passive no matter what weapon they are using, then I used hc+sidearm I just destroyed the whole lobby full of shotgun apes, I played with this combo for a month, still maintained 3+kd in control, if you want to counter something you SHOULD use weapons that provides it or adapt your gameplay. Shotguns got nerfed like 5+ times since forsaken, yep its annoying to die to a shotgun user, but I would say it's annoying to die to everything in pvp

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  • The issue is that shotguns have been nerfed (so have handcannons and fusions) yet they are still the most picked weapons and continue to be in the meta week after week. However 1 nerf to any other weapon completely kills it and pushes it out of the meta. Also, you shouldn't be required to play other weapons to counter 1 weapon. Take apex for example. Any weapon can kill and out eat any weapon. In that game movment and positioning are more important than the actual gunplay. I'm d2, Bungie has stated they want gunplay to be their main objective. So, if they want that they either have to slow the game down by increasing ttks overall, or nerf down the most used weapons untill atleast 75%-100% of all weapons are close to equal. Around 5% of each other. This would indicate that ALL weapons can beat and be beaten by ALL weapons. That a single weapon type dosnt overflow the meta and dominate through. That you can comfortably play and know it's more weighted on skill instead of distance/ttk. What makes a good fps is balance. Hc and shotguns don't show balance in d2. Especially since d2 has 12-13 different weapon choices with each having 2-3 different sub choices. In any fps game, no 2 weapon types rule the game. Especially on a heavy weapon built game. Apex is again a good example of this. they have 6 groups of weapons. However, each can best eachother with ease. If there was a two group Dom, it would be okay because within those groups, there are 4-6 weapons that all feel different. Ex: the hemlock and flatline. Both are listed as assault riffles, however they both are vastly different weapons. The only other thing apex has better is that you arnt facing the same thing over and over, team per team. Btw, desitny can easily do this by having a more even pick rate between weapons. Ie: nerfing what is the highest pick rated weapons.

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