And these are easily translated without a set time of familiarity? Seriously, if you have a constant fireteam, every exotic, and are the type to be carried by trials then you ought not to dismiss the comments of others who aren't willing to sell their souls just to try soemthing "Hardcore" That wasn't hardcore, hardcore involves an increased challenge- not a purposeful attempt at disarming players So here, let's count the issues with just Gate 1 Cyclopes spawn three, but the respawn is set as fast as 30 seconds, they have tracking set to the entirety of the map- meaning that they can act as snipers for the fireteams on other plates (which caused most plate wipes as they are able to prime their fire while you are behind cover Minotaurs have a set spawn and pattern that can quickly become altered leading to twice the minotaurs spawning on the right plate or none in the middle, easy to handle, but teleport is extremely rigged to prevent explosive use on him without some sort of area effect or suppression Hobgoblins have the most broken AI, they fire slower so long as you keep them seperate, with a usually two hit kill, after two minutes in, they become more dangerous, firing twice as fast and able to body you in one hit as soon as you attempt to reseize the plate Respawning was idiotic, constantly either sending you back to the start, the opposite side of the map or to the bottom of the structure while the enemies continued to spawn, guardians were bodies merely attempting to recover lost ground, others bodies trying to leave their plates to help the others Goblins are okay, but the "boost" in "Difficultity" did lead to issues in focusing on the major clear and with two guardians per plate and most average and new light players lacking the proper area effect or add clear weapons means you are forced to wing it constantly And that's if you are willing to switch characters to play the raid, some people only play one type of character, like I have two hunters, and there are fireteams on here right now either demanding I somehow already beat the raid recently, have prefect knowledge of what'll occur or that I be a titan or Warlock only That is not inclusive, and to be frank, the vanity this game encourages players to embrace and abuse others with is nothing close to the type of community Bungie pretends to support If "hardcore" means "I play games to prove myself to others and show off on the interwebs" then count the majority of the long-term community out, some of us started gaming as children and honestly- games and these events are not focus on us- doesn't mean they couldn't or that we don't have an interest in a challenge The point is that we are not in the game for the sake of ourselves or our K/D or the next loot option We just wanted to enjoy reliving the past with our mates and wanted to join the worldwide community event to do so- that's called community- fellowship- bonding Yet how many are only concerned about their next "W" and getting "Another Roll" I guess the people who play for the sake of enjoying the game world Bungie created don't matter...

[quote]Unbelievably hilarious and stupid set of complaints here. Literally just complaining in the abstract about stress levels and anxiety. The only complaint you even make about the raid itself is the enemies move around constantly so you can’t hit them?? Bruh FPS games are about aiming. Tracking. Character movement. If you can’t even get past the first encounter then you just suck. I really don’t understand why you so badly want to play on day 1 when it is meant to be a challenge for hardcore players. It’s not babies first raid up in here. Also so so so funny you just HAD to mention you’re a “day 1 player” lmao[/quote] Just asking, did you run VoG yet?

Yeah. I finished the contest clear but not challenge. The only mechanical change I dislike is the fact you cannot break out of your own detain

[quote]Yeah. I finished the contest clear but not challenge. The only mechanical change I dislike is the fact you cannot break out of your own detain[/quote] Well, VoG was the only raid i ever ran in D1, I would like to hear your take on this updated version, as I’m sorta on a cliff trying to decide whether I wanna run it or not.